Strog Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) We should remember who runs this grubby club. They have no morals so no big surprise they have put greed above everything else Edited February 9, 2022 by Strog 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughes Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 12 hours ago, Phil Silvers said: Oh yes it's always been **** That map is "fake news" as you never invaded Norway? In fact, we invaded you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hughes said: That map is "fake news" as you never invaded Norway? In fact, we invaded you. Please do it again, I'd love to be under Norwegian rule. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post picicata Posted February 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2022 Zouma is obviously an unpleasant person but I wonder how many of those people booing at the match last night happily went and had a shitty burger/ pie at half time? They can't truly believe that the animals that went into their food was treated any better than Zouma's cat 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, picicata said: Zouma is obviously an unpleasant person but I wonder how many of those people booing at the match last night happily went and had a shitty burger/ pie at half time? They can't truly believe that the animals that went into their food was treated any better than Zouma's cat People who eat shitty burgers are obviously unpleasant, but I wonder how many of those people tweeting to get Zouma sacked happily used their phone which was built by low pay workers in 3rd world countries, often with use of child labour? They can't possibly believe those workers were treated any better than Zouma's cat? Obviously I'm being sarcastic here, but the point is let's not engage in a competition of 'who is a bigger scum bag and why'. Zouma should have been benched, offer a large contribution to animal welfare and probably give his cat away to someone. He did wrong, and there is nothing wrong with concentrating on that issue alone, there was a crime and there needs to be a fitting punishment. It's as simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, picicata said: Zouma is obviously an unpleasant person but I wonder how many of those people booing at the match last night happily went and had a shitty burger/ pie at half time? They can't truly believe that the animals that went into their food was treated any better than Zouma's cat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted February 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, picicata said: Zouma is obviously an unpleasant person but I wonder how many of those people booing at the match last night happily went and had a shitty burger/ pie at half time? They can't truly believe that the animals that went into their food was treated any better than Zouma's cat i know this is the standard vegan argument but when we eat said burger, we do so assuming that the laws against the treatment of animals in the slaughterhouse that the burger game from are being upheld. i.e. feel no pain etc etc zouma broke the law...so the two are entirely different 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, tomav84 said: when we eat said burger, we do so assuming that the laws against the treatment of animals in the slaughterhouse that the burger game from are being upheld. i.e. feel no pain etc etc Ah the naivety of the meat eater 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted February 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, Stevo985 said: Ah the naivety of the meat eater i'm not naive to it...i've no doubt that some slaughterhouses mistreat animals find out which ones they are, and i'll sign the petition to have it shut down and the individuals prosecuted find out which supermarkets they supply, and i'll happily boycot but the same way that you trust that correct standards and practices have been upheld in any food production, you trust the same with the meat you buy should you choose to eat it but i just dislike the argument of "well slaughterhouses 'probably' mistreat the animals that you eat so you're no better than someone who kicks a cat for their own amusement" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2022 Anyway, I watched the start of the game last night and Zouma got roundly booed when he got the ball. It sounded too loud to just be the Watford fans so I think a fair few of the West Ham fans piled in too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Ah the naivety of the meat eater I'm sure the salad that you ate grew in a field not covered by toxic pesticides, nor did the ploughing/harvesting of such field kill a wide variety of animals and destroyed their homes Of course I'm messing with you, it's a complex issue, I just dislike the dietary morality being tossed around. Back on topic, let's not kick cats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, tomav84 said: i'm not naive to it...i've no doubt that some slaughterhouses mistreat animals find out which ones they are, and i'll sign the petition to have it shut down and the individuals prosecuted find out which supermarkets they supply, and i'll happily boycot but the same way that you trust that correct standards and practices have been upheld in any food production, you trust the same with the meat you buy should you choose to eat it but i just dislike the argument of "well slaughterhouses 'probably' mistreat the animals that you eat so you're no better than someone who kicks a cat for their own amusement" It's not a discussion for this thread, but uphold all the standards you want. Slaughtering animals is still a horrible, inhumane, terrifying ordeal. It doesn't matter if some people kill them a bit better than other people. If slaughterhouses had glass walls we'd all be vegetarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I'm sure the salad that you ate grew in a field not covered by toxic pesticides, nor did the ploughing/harvesting of such field kill a wide variety of animals and destroyed their homes We've done this already. That argument doesn't hold up On 08/02/2022 at 09:18, Stevo985 said: It's certainly damaging to animals and the environment. But it's far far less damaging than eating animals. It's about necessity. We have to eat something, and there's no way we can practically do that without causing some environmental harm. But that's not an excuse to allow all harm. But as @Davkaus says, there's a thread in off topic for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Ah the naivety of the meat eater What the eye doesn't see the heart doesn't grieve over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, Stevo985 said: We've done this already. That argument doesn't hold up We have, I disagree to an extent. There is no necessity in having an avocado or in having bananas or pineapples or peppers. You could just eat potatoes and apples. It would be far less damaging to environment, they are a local product, and don't need to be transited thought the entire world to arrive in the UK. In fact, you could sell your car and your phone, and rent an allotment or use your garden to grow them. So it's a question of how far you push this. I eat meat, and I prefer to buy meat from a local source where I know that animal led a good life. Game meat such as venison is my favourite. Yeah I pay a bit more for it, but it tastes better and I have a clear(er) conscience. Do I think a pig that comes in pork chops had a bad death? Sure. Do I think it would have been ripped by wolves if it lived in the wild? It probably would, no animal dies of old age - it usually gets eaten. It's a much more brutal way to die than being killed by a butcher. So maybe that pig shouldn't have lived at all? Maybe so, I don't know. If it's looked after properly, it certainly can enjoy a good life. Does my diet require a good source of protein? Yeah it does. But I think it's a flawed outlook to reduce life to a minimum necessity. And I am sure (I'm guessing) you do not live your life that way and enjoy many 'evil' things. We all do. But yeah, it's off topic, worth taking to the other thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mic09 said: We have, I disagree to an extent. There is no necessity in having an avocado or in having bananas or pineapples or peppers. You could just eat potatoes and apples. It would be far less damaging to environment, they are a local product, and don't need to be transited thought the entire world to arrive in the UK. In fact, you could sell your car and your phone, and rent an allotment or use your garden to grow them. So it's a question of how far you push this. I eat meat, and I prefer to buy meat from a local source where I know that animal led a good life. Game meat such as venison is my favourite. Yeah I pay a bit more for it, but it tastes better and I have a clear(er) conscience. Do I think a pig that comes in pork chops had a bad death? Sure. Do I think it would have been ripped by wolves if it lived in the wild? It probably would, no animal dies of old age - it usually gets eaten. It's a much more brutal way to die than being killed by a butcher. So maybe that pig shouldn't have lived at all? Maybe so, I don't know. If it's looked after properly, it certainly can enjoy a good life. Does my diet require a good source of protein? Yeah it does. But I think it's a flawed outlook to reduce life to a minimum necessity. And I am sure (I'm guessing) you do not live your life that way and enjoy many 'evil' things. We all do. But yeah, it's off topic, worth taking to the other thread. This is so misinformed, but I'm not going to pick it apart in this thread. Ask me in the Vegan/veggie thread if you want an answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a m ole Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I’m a vegetarian. Zouma didn’t kill his cat to eat it, did he? He kicked and punched it only to cause it suffering. At least slaughterhouse suffering has some ROI on the pain. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2022 One of West Ham's sponsors is considering their relationship with the club. Good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 9 hours ago, Pissflaps said: Football is corrupt. Most teams will do anything and I mean anything for the top 4. Virtually anything will be forgiven for it. Indeed. Jack Grealish goes around drink driving? We still pick him because he's vital to the cause. This is the football world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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