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WH are bed wetters, 2k spread over 4 bet at odds over 1/4 & 1/8 on with a liability of a couple hundred quid :crylaugh: 

Ive lost more running for the bus. 

Still plenty of 1/4 about if folk wanna dip their bread.

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There isn't a fan on here that has got a clue, as to whether Tim Sherwood will be a success or not.   and that includes me.   so, to keep talking like its a bad appointment is ludicrous.   None

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Moyes will say no to us as we're dropping like a stone and him going down with us is not the way he'd want to come back to England.

I disagree. I think we're perfect for Moyes to come back to England for. The bookies, the press, a lot of the fans and probably a lot of the general public would pretty much write us off as relegated already. 

As long as Moyes believes there's enough quality in the squad to stay up, we may well be a club that appeals to his ego since he would be the saviour of Aston Villa this season when he keeps us up - what better way to rebuild your reputation?! I'm certain that if he does come in, he'll frame it as massive ask in the press to keep us up, which will further add weight the job he's done when he does keep us up, or if we do go down, then it's pretty much what most across the industry expected anyway.

He can effectively manage us with no fear of failure. I can't think of a better job he could walk into to reaffirm his management credentials.

Absolutely.I think he is achievable he has nothing to lose coming here, if we go down we were screwed if he saves us his reputation is rebuilt again. I think he will look at the squad and say damn there is some real potential there, its a young squad not ageing mess like when MON left us. I think if Fox and Lerner do everything in their power to get him and state they are interested in no-one else but Moyes then I think we can get him.

I would say somewhere like spurs is where he would struggle if offered a job for example as they are expected to do well. If he finished 15th here that would be a marvellous achievement. Come on Lerner you clown go get him!!!

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WH are bed wetters, 2k spread over 4 bet at odds over 1/4 & 1/8 on with a liability of a couple hundred quid :crylaugh: 

Ive lost more running for the bus.

 

 

You know nobody thinks that's "cool" right?

Bet the bloke behind him at the bus stop thought it was cool!

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I heard an interesting summing up of the villa situation from The great Peter McParland during my visit to Sky Lounge yesterday.

As usual, I could not keep my thoughts to myself and during my conversations on my thoughts of Villa's plight, Peter started his rendition to the fans....so I duly listened

The guests on our table and adjoining tables who over heard me aided by a few San Miguels said ....."my god its almost word for word what you have been saying"

I won't go in to chapter and verse, but suffice to say he was looking at the players as opposed to the manager, but recognised it was a collective effort that has put us here.

It was also interesting to hear the thoughts of some of supporting staff, bar tenders, ushers, guides and the like .....the mood is very dark.

It is clear to me, that it is going to take one almighty effort and unprecedented hard work to turn this "ghost ship" around.

I was also alarmed at the players responses to continuing the game ,after they Scored......My god Sherwood had to scream at them to regain focus and continue the task.....suffice to say shortly after we conceded.....it was sheer schoolboy stuff.

After we scored, I would have expected them to line up and metaphorically in their heads do the "HAKA".....They seemed like job done, game over.

This club right now is in a sorry state ( not the fixtures and fittings....the soul has been lost)and the the team is reflective of that, more than the manager.

I was joking during the game and said I would sack the players and keep the manager....if it was only that easy.

Oh well, I will be surprised, If the majority of fans don't get their way now.

 

I don't think anyone is suggesting the players aren't culpable in this sorry mess but Sherwood is the manager and the clue lies in his title and ultimately the buck stops with him. We cannot change the players right now and we cannot completely re-engineer the squad in January either, money or no money. Sherwood's job is to get the best out of the players he has. My opinion and I think that of many fans is that he isn't and the reality is the job is beyond him. I don't dislike him as a person, in fact more the opposite but the truth is we have a very inexperienced manager looking after the team who is simply out of his depth. We don't have the luxury of allowing him time to lean his trade even assuming that he can.

I think we actually have a decent squad of players who are capable of keeping in this league but their confidence is shot to pieces such that, as yesterday proved again, they don't even do the basics properly. That should be addressed on the training ground and game after game we see not change. I heard from a source within the club that there is a major rift in the squad between two groups of players. I very much doubt that Sherwood's fault but it is his responsibility to sort it out but the team selection yesterday smacked to me of him dodging that problem. You also have to ask the question as to whether the players actually believe in Sherwood: the training, the team selection, the tactics before and during the game and the formation. I don't think they do and if they don't believe in him given where we are I very much doubt we will get out of this mess. At the final whistle they just looked shell shocked which is not a good sign. I don't know whether the inevitable boos were for the team or Sherwood. I hope the latter as booing the players is of no help at all.

I tend to agree with much of what both of you say.

For me the spinelessness of the side is the killer, but equally the only guy who can correct that is the Manager. And a Manager who can galvanise players who show little intrinsic 'heart (etc)' is a rarity.

If you look at Ferguson for example, he went through players until he got those with that character, even with his fearsome manner it took time to instil it. You could say the same about !Moyes at Everton. Saunders here too. They all needed a combination of time, commanding presence, and the right type of player for their methods......methods which would be far harder to implement with millionaire Premier League players now. 

I don't think Sherwood has the presence, time, orplayers. Further, I think he well knows it, hence his references last year to being a team not designed to scrap it out, he knows we had/ have no Roy Keane's.

Whether he tried to address that in the summer and lost out,cwho knows. But we definitely have a very, very lightweight squad. Light in physical stature but more so mentally.

So in my view, whilst I don't blame him for the character of the players, it certainly needs addressing and he seems unable to do it. Maybe nobody can. Maybe the trouble with Villa and one or two others is we are no longer up near the top, yet we don't belong with the up and comers....maybe that's why we always see so much fight in sides considered ' smaller'.

I don't like Moyes, I think he is overrated, dour, and dull, as is his football. I much prefer Sherwood's character and, when he employs it, his attacking philosophy, but I think the only Manager in my mind who has even half a chance of giving those in the side who have some bottle a way of developing it is indeed Moyes. Maybe also Pearson, who I similarly don't like.

So if we get rid, and for the reasons above I think we should( reluctantly), it should be for one of them.

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I'm dreading the foreseeable future for our club. I fear that his inexperience will cost us our Premier League status and Lerner will really feel the wrath of the Villa faithful then. On the other hand, maybe Lerner feels the players have had it too easy and that Sherwood will give them the kick up the arse they need. But, that usually leads to players revolting and that would be bad for a club with limited funds.

 

I'll give him my support until I feel he doesn't deserve it. I hope it works out well for the club and, even if he acts like a prat, he has the kind of success we are seeking. But, I think this will end badly for Villa.

This was my first post in the Tim Sherwood thread just after he joined. My support for him has stopped. I said I'd give him up to 12 games but there's no point now, the damage is done and we need someone new in to lift the players and start injecting new ideas into the team. 

I wish I could have been proved wrong with that original first post though as I want every manager of succeed with Villa. 

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Kingman Grand Master

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Oh fish face, have a day off from being the hero. 

Its called the crack

 

 

It's called "the craic" to be fair.

 

Just saying, you make yourself look a right dick with that stuff.

See above! 

PS, You're predictability just waved us the next round :D 

Cheers  keep it up!

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I don't like Moyes, I think he is overrated, dour, and dull, as is his football. I much prefer Sherwood's character and, when he employs it, his attacking philosophy, but I think the only Manager in my mind who has even half a chance of giving those in the side who have some bottle a way of developing it is indeed Moyes. Maybe also Pearson, who I similarly don't like.

So if we get rid, and for the reasons above I think we should( reluctantly), it should be for one of them.

I think they need to rip it up entirely. For me, I would love someone like SAN MARCO BIELSA. Not saying they have the wit or ability to get him mind. But let's go loco!

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I don't like Moyes, I think he is overrated, dour, and dull, as is his football. I much prefer Sherwood's character and, when he employs it, his attacking philosophy, but I think the only Manager in my mind who has even half a chance of giving those in the side who have some bottle a way of developing it is indeed Moyes. Maybe also Pearson, who I similarly don't like.

So if we get rid, and for the reasons above I think we should( reluctantly), it should be for one of them.

I think they need to rip it up entirely. For me, I would love someone like SAN MARCO BIELSA. Not saying they have the wit or ability to get him mind. But let's go loco!

I think we've already tried "loco": that's what got us our current manager.

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