The Tim Sherwood Thread

[rubberman]

It's a point of view. Wrong, but still.  

It completely ignores the influence of the manager. Take Ranieri - he's done ok and didn't bring in any of that squad.

If you're a manager - that's what you should do.  Manage. Whether you've signed off on every one or not, you manage what you have.  Stop whining and start winning. That's your job. 

[troon_villan]

Not sure about Moyles. I'd go for Steve Lamacq first.

Tony Blackburn Rovers.

[samjp26]

Actually heard that Tim has recently been, and will be carrying on, leaking info/getting stories in the press to try cover his arse. Seeing stuff like that Telegraph article kinda confirms it for me now (and it is something he apparently did at Tottenham, too). However, what I heard was not only was he doing it but also that the club know and aren't happy at all about it, with Mr. Fox and Tim being on pretty bad terms.

Could be rubbish, however it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this was the case. Hopefully one of the real "ITKs" will enlighten us but right now everything just looks pathetic, we brought in some real talent this summer and I really don't think our problems are down to our recruitment policy which looks like it could be finally on track.

 

Edited October 14, 2015 by samjp26

[Zatman]

all managers leak stuff to the press though or have people leak information

[bose]

It's just a question when not if he goes. Probably not before the Chelsea game and not straight after it unless something catastrophic happens. He'll be gone after Swansea the latest I think.

[Mantis]

He really should've gone after Stoke. Getting rid of him in November won't be too late to save our season (provided we get the right replacement in) but I can't help feel like we're just wasting time at the moment. Get it over and done with now.

[samjp26]

all managers leak stuff to the press though or have people leak information

Wouldn't surprise me if that is the case, but to do it in a manner to protect yourself (i.e. blaming our recruitment policy, saying he didn't get the players he wanted from Spurs), is pretty lame IMO.

[samjp26]

It's just a question when not if he goes. Probably not before the Chelsea game and not straight after it unless something catastrophic happens. He'll be gone after Swansea the latest I think.

Have to say that I agree.

I really wanted Tim to succeed here, think we all did, he brought a breath of fresh air to the club which in turn kept us up and got us a cup final. I thank him for that but to be frank he just looks out of his depth. I've never seen a manager change the team so much, regardless of losing, especially with some of our performances (which have been alright at times).

Leicester game really killed his confidence.

[Dodgyknees]

Krulak has opened his gobshite of a mouth again. I might want Sherwood out, but that doesn't mean I respect Krulak's words one bit. The guy is a lunatic.

[AshVilla]

all managers leak stuff to the press though or have people leak information

Not as much as Tim does

He gives Redknapp a run for his money

[Dr_Pangloss]

Actually heard that Tim has recently been, and will be carrying on, leaking info/getting stories in the press to try cover his arse. Seeing stuff like that Telegraph article kinda confirms it for me now (and it is something he apparently did at Tottenham, too). However, what I heard was not only was he doing it but also that the club know and aren't happy at all about it, with Mr. Fox and Tim being on pretty bad terms.

Could be rubbish, however it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this was the case. Hopefully one of the real "ITKs" will enlighten us but right now everything just looks pathetic, we brought in some real talent this summer and I really don't think our problems are down to our recruitment policy which looks like it could be finally on track.

 

Surely gross misconduct and could save us a few bob when it comes to sacking him

[Dodgyknees]

It's amazing how many neglect to realise that we only spent [circa] £50m precisely because of the Benteke sale. The proceeds from his departure provided a competitive budget, one which should have provided the platform to end the run of relegation battles. 

A platform -- without Benteke. In the PL. A history of relegation battles. A hybridized and laughably incoherent recruitment policy led by a scion of an American football owner and his "sports business" soccer enthusiast.

It is hardly the time to write an article about signings being flops when they are clearly being badly mismanaged.

 

I doubt it's propaganda. It's definitely premature.

Word. Truth spoken.

 

Tim still leaking to the press then.

Don't worry, he takes full responsibility.

You don't know how the press works, apparently. This is an analysis piece. I don't see a single freshly reported fact. Again with the Anti-Sherwood frenzy! 

 

'Analysis' piece yet the author makes the outright claim that Sherwood had absolutely no final say on transfers - Koeman used as a reference as a manager who does in comparision. Hmm, I wonder who would be feeding the press with this narrative? Oh wait, I know...the only guy who any of this benefits of course. 

 

Nothing you say even remotely contradicts the idea of sport analysis journalism. 

If Sherwood's good at anything, its playing CREATING FRENZIES OF IRRATIONAL HATRED. the press. If nothing had been said, they would not be printing this shite about the Villa. They don't usually bother with us this early in the season, what ever the results.

Fixed.

Seems to be so much propaganda about in support of Sherwood. I think once we bring in a decent manager all this talk of the summer signings not being good enough, will quickly look pretty silly.

You're talking nonsense. That article isn't slanted either way. 

Tim still leaking to the press then.

Don't worry, he takes full responsibility.

You don't know how the press works, apparently. This is an analysis piece. I don't see a single freshly reported fact. Again with the Anti-Sherwood frenzy! 

I've worked in the press. Trained in Journalism. 

There are a lot of press on VT -- at least 50 of us, from what I can tell. That and £1 will get you a wet sack of chips lol.

Only thing I want is for Tim to get the sack

[bose]

It's just a question when not if he goes. Probably not before the Chelsea game and not straight after it unless something catastrophic happens. He'll be gone after Swansea the latest I think.

Have to say that I agree.

I really wanted Tim to succeed here, think we all did, he brought a breath of fresh air to the club which in turn kept us up and got us a cup final. I thank him for that but to be frank he just looks out of his depth. I've never seen a manager change the team so much, regardless of losing, especially with some of our performances (which have been alright at times).

Leicester game really killed his confidence.

Yeah I was so positive in the summer that he seemed to be what we needed. Hiring Wilkins, making some exciting and good signings and he seemed to be more astute than I first thought. I wasn't sure when he was first hired but he did exactly what was needed then, saving us from relegation. Our summer signings looked very positive, yet that seems to be the one thing he wants to distance himself from. I think most of us bought his big talk in the summer and last spring but now we've seen that he's nothing more than a big mouth who is frighteningly out of his dept.

[Shaw_nuff]

Krulak has opened his gobshite of a mouth again. I might want Sherwood out, but that doesn't mean I respect Krulak's words one bit. The guy is a lunatic.

It's time for that gif again:

Tim Sherwood...

Ray Wilkins...

Paul Lambert...

Alex McLeish...

Anyone who refuses to play Gil

Round em up, put em in a field and bomb the bastards!

[GENTLEMAN]

Nevermind.

Edited October 14, 2015 by GENTLEMAN

[CrackpotForeigner]

Overall the squad is better than it was last year. Just need someone to manage them properly.

Disagree with this. We have replaced Lowton with Crespo, Baker with Ilori, Vlaar with Richards, Senderos with Lescott,Delph with Gana, Cleverley with Veretout, Benteke with Gestede and Weimann with Ayew. I'm failing to see any level of improvement apart from Richards coming in.

 

Lowton with Crespo: Well Crespo seems an impeccable passer of the ball so far. Has 3 or 4 more years' experience as a defender. Quite possibly an improvement.

Baker with Illori: Illori is very highly rated, whereas Baker is a good squad player with a concussion problem.

Senderos with Lescott: Lescott might be rubbish, but he's more likely to be able to play.

Delph with Gana: So far I'm seeing a player vastly more talented than Delph, he is coming back from injury at the moment so been iffy in the last two games.

Cleverley with Veretout: Wow we've had to replace Villa Legend Tom Cleverley with some promising young Frenchie? Ellis Out! Better than Cleverley in every way.

Benteke with Gestede: If Gestede stays fit for a full season scoring at his current rate, I'd take him over Benteke firing for a third of a season.

Weimann with Ayew: Yeah, it's a disastrous swap, that one, from a sentimental point of view, anyway. Luckily, in football terms, Ayew has shown that he is at least a zillion squillion billion times more talented than Weimann.

Then there's our three best players: Traore, Gil and Grealish. Whose places have they taken in last year's squad?

Edited October 14, 2015 by CrackpotForeigner
Sorry, wrote Grealis instead of Gresford

[HanoiVillan]

That article on our recruitment policy is a joke, and I've no idea why anyone is defending it. Amongst other amusing claims, it asserts that we just didn't try to persuade Cleverley to stay, which is genuine nonsense. Oh, and we were gonna sign Victor Moses. Cos that sounds plausible. 

[AntrimBlack]

Seems to be so much propaganda about in support of Sherwood. I think once we bring in a decent manager all this talk of the summer signings not being good enough, will quickly look pretty silly.

You're talking nonsense. That article isn't slanted either way. 

Tim still leaking to the press then.

Don't worry, he takes full responsibility.

You don't know how the press works, apparently. This is an analysis piece. I don't see a single freshly reported fact. Again with the Anti-Sherwood frenzy! 

Since it does not attach any blame to Sherwood, I would suggest that it is slanted in a particular way.

[tylerreznik]

Wow that Telegraph article is one of the worse pieces of writing I've seen in a long time.  Full of contradictions, it's nothing more than an angry rant that conveniently ignores the truth.

Lennon...  please, he's done absolutely f**k all at everton, in fact he's done f**k all for the past few seasons, anyone that seriously would rather have Lennon than Traore should check themselves into the nearest asylum. Same goes for Townsend, hasn't been able to get a game at Spurs for some time, hardly a huge queue of PL clubs looking to buy him in the summer was there.  

Cambia's turned us down, Begovic turned us down and signed Chelsea, Cleverly turned us down and signed for Everton, we put bids in for them all, THEY TURNED US DOWN for personal reasons, not much the club can do there, short of going back and offering insane $$, but then we're back to MON days and put the club financially at risk etc etc.

Yes the club has been burned buying overpaid average players that add little, saddle the club financially and drain resources, so it's great that we've realised that and moved on to a more progressive transfer policy.  Bent or Benteke - which transfer policy worked out best there?  Yes we all look at Cole, Senderos, and Nzogbia in despair, and wonder why we signed these blokes and what they are doing at the club.

Simple fact is no 'Manager' is going to be given absolute arte blanche to make his own signings in the modern game, Wenger is probably the only guy that has close to absolute control over transfers.  Pulls is of the old school way of thinking, and had his wings well and truly clipped when he signed up with West Brom, yet he's managed to adapt well enough.  

While I've never seen the inner workings of a 'transfer committee', from what i've read the committee and manager meet to discuss area's of weakness to address, specific qualities new players should bring to the team, budget etc.  If a manager has a player in mind surely they can make a 'pitch' to other members of the committee.  Personally I think having serval people involved in the scouting and recruitment decision making process is excellent (for the good of the club).

Ultimately Sherwood is really showing his nativity with these pathetic childish leaks.  For one the arguments really don't stack up.  This is life in modern game we are not doing anything other clubs aren't already doing, and every time his friends leak this nonsense another chairman thinks geez I'm not going to touch that Sherwood bloke.  Secondly it's plain for all to see the issue has nothing to do with the players we signed, they've played some great football in patches, managed to score goals, even had the audacity of taking the lead in a few matches....  If you read all these pathetic leaks having not watching any of our games or looked at the table, you'd deadset think we'd been flogged 3-0 every week and have been sending out a bunch of 21 year olds that can't speak english and look totally out of place in the PL.  The reality could't be further from the truth.

Simple fact is Sherwood is NOT a manager and has been out foxed by his opponents time and time again, costing us points.  Players can read (most of them), and reading this sort of tripe in the press must be a great motivational tool, I wonder if he ever considered that...

I just want this despicable clown removed immediately, I can't stand to look at his face any longer.  He's dragging the club through the gutter with these comical leaks, he is just causing damage to the club, there are no longer any positives, no redeeming factors, he adds NOTHING.  We would be far far better off with Cowans taking temporary charges for a few weeks, no two game to save his job, we could win the next two by cricket scores, nothing will change or undue what he has done, i want this fool out now.

 

Edited October 15, 2015 by tylerreznik

[GENTLEMAN]

Why are the club allowing this to drag on? Just sack him already.

Edited October 15, 2015 by GENTLEMAN