dakid007 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I honestly think Sherwood is going to be ruthless in chopping players AVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BentekenForAMug Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 On one hand, I hope he is ruthless as players at this level should not perform like they have this season. But equally, if he gets rid of everyone who's had a crap season, we'll have about five players left! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 31, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2015 I have no proble with him being ruthless. But I don't think calling the players losers and telling some of them to find new clubs before the season was over was the best move. The performances in the last few games would suggest that it didn't help morale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 He'll be gone by December. That's the spirit Nope. Not the spirit. But it is whats going to happen (in my opinion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Why will he walk or be sacked? Given that Lambert had three years despite struggling against relegation the entire time I can't see it being the later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Doesn't mean he'll adopt the same lazy transfer policy as O'Neill. No, it doesn't. I said that I fear he might. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 He's not getting the sack and like every pre-season there won't be a massive clear-out, it's all just a hopeless dumb dream. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I honestly think Sherwood is going to be ruthless in chopping players AVFC Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 He's not getting the sack and like every pre-season there won't be a massive clear-out, it's all just a hopeless dumb dream. Agree on the former but not the latter but time will tell. Personally I think he needs a massive clearout to change the overall mentality of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 It's just that we seem to talk about a 'big summer' every year and not much happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 We don't need a lot of players. We have a lot of non contributors who we could replace with youth team players. Europa would have killed us anyway. I trust Sherwood to buy some quality as he must have known the state of the squad and agreed sum finances AVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted May 31, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2015 3 months ago we looked crap, certain for the drop which would mean no takeover. We couldn't score any goals and were the laughing stock of the league. yep look at us now. We look certain for the drop next season, comments from the club the last two weeks suggest no takeover is imminent anyway, we've scored one goal in the last 3 games and didn't even look like scoring in them and after the performance yesterday we are the laughing stock in the league! Yep. Meet the new guy, same as the old guy. Last three games especially. Glad you've decided to give Tim a chance mate. Firstly, the last three games have been very Lambert-esque. I guess for you the best thing is that he isn't Lambert, I get that, I know that is his best point for you. Secondly Drum roll... Ta-da!!!!! http://www.villatalk.com/index.php/topic/12760-the-tim-sherwood-thread/page-329#entry1670348 This post is exactly what I was referring to. Your every comment thereafter has been everything but giving him a chance. I agree Sherwood should be criticized, but I also think enough is enough. Anyway, my comment was post on poster, which I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think it would be very unwise to allow Sherwood total control of incomings and outgoings. The players are often around for longer the the manager that signs them, so I think it would be smart to take a long term perspective and not to assume that Tim will be around for 5 years to build the club. It rarely works like that. These are big decisions the club has to take this summer, they need to get them right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted May 31, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) I think it would be very unwise to allow Sherwood total control of incomings and outgoings. The players are often around for longer the the manager that signs them, so I think it would be smart to take a long term perspective and not to assume that Tim will be around for 5 years to build the club. It rarely works like that. These are big decisions the club has to take this summer, they need to get them right. This would mean that Tim is not fully responsible for the outcome, since it wouldn't be his team. Nor is the other bloke who buys the players, since Tim manages the team. Tom Fox would be the only one fully responsible for our success. Edited May 31, 2015 by AVTuco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think it would be very unwise to allow Sherwood total control of incomings and outgoings. The players are often around for longer the the manager that signs them, so I think it would be smart to take a long term perspective and not to assume that Tim will be around for 5 years to build the club. It rarely works like that. These are big decisions the club has to take this summer, they need to get them right. This would mean that Tim is not fully responsible for the outcome, since it wouldn't be his team. Nor is the other bloke who buys the players, since Tim manages the team. Tom Fox would be the only one fully responsible for our success. If we allow the manager full control of transfers, then it will be Martin O'Neill all over again and we will have to start over again every time a manager is sacked or leaves. Having someone higher up helping with transfers allows us to sign players that fit into the team more long term, like Southampton and Swansea are doing. (actually all the top teams have people higher up helping with signings). So the players fit the club and not only the manager. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Being ruthless is one thing but it's absolutely devastating if the decisions made are bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted June 1, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 1, 2015 I think it would be very unwise to allow Sherwood total control of incomings and outgoings. The players are often around for longer the the manager that signs them, so I think it would be smart to take a long term perspective and not to assume that Tim will be around for 5 years to build the club. It rarely works like that. These are big decisions the club has to take this summer, they need to get them right. This would mean that Tim is not fully responsible for the outcome, since it wouldn't be his team. Nor is the other bloke who buys the players, since Tim manages the team. Tom Fox would be the only one fully responsible for our success. If we allow the manager full control of transfers, then it will be Martin O'Neill all over again and we will have to start over again every time a manager is sacked or leaves. Having someone higher up helping with transfers allows us to sign players that fit into the team more long term, like Southampton and Swansea are doing. (actually all the top teams have people higher up helping with signings). So the players fit the club and not only the manager. I'm not sure what use is this "players fit the club"... I see your point, but to me responsibility has to end somewhere. Someone is helping the manager make the right choices, but ultimately he has to make the decisions. If he doesn't, then the team is someone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 A lot of doomsday overreactions, not dissimilar to the laughable comments about how we'd win out after the Everton/West Ham games. We'll lose a lot of games with this squad and will do so again next season, Sherwood's shown to have promise and deserves a chance, but also shown he should keep his mouth shut. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillakevBromsgrove Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 TS is right though, it is obvious to anybody looking at our club that the players we have are just not good enough, there is no fight, no passion, he did not say they were losers he said the have a loser mentality, too many times have we seen sloppy passing, lack of tracking players, bad marking,walking round the pitch, we have to get players who refuse to lose, will put their body on the line to get points, we just have no fight or movement, TS as manager takes the blame for this, why should it be his fault if players do not follow simple instructions or put the effort in. It has gone on for too long and it needs to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Saying on the radio this morning he has backtracked - theres not going to be wholesale changes, its only the fringe players that he will move on. For me Cissokho, Guzan, Gil, could all still play a part - Madness ! I think the first question when employing a new coach should be 'Can he organise a defence' , Sherwood clearly can't - do we make that call now or wait November \ December ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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