Villan_of_oz Posted December 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2016 5 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I think at least half the squad would be on the first plane if they got a chance to play for a club like Deportivo Like I said I disagree.... but glad we're clear that we have differing opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Light weight. Physique of a small child, British football is played by warriors nowadays not mummys boys looking for protection from the referee. He has a talent but only useful in a playground or Spain where you get loads of time and space (awaits onslaught). Its a real shame, good luck to him though, I hope he makes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KSV Posted December 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, thunderball said: Light weight. Physique of a small child, British football is played by warriors nowadays not mummys boys looking for protection from the referee. He has a talent but only useful in a playground or Spain where you get loads of time and space (awaits onslaught). Its a real shame, good luck to him though, I hope he makes it. Ahh that old chest nut. Hourihane who is leading the league with assists from midfield and has 4 goals is 62 and Gil is 66. Got nothing to do with it. But yeah lets go with his physicality. Nothing to do with the drongos he had to play with. I am amazed he gets so much stick.. Grealish was even worse last season. I guess as a 'local lad' all is forgiven. Asking for a move is a crime.. yet 'ohh hes just pissed having fun is ok'. Double standards on here when people want it to suit their arguments. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 23 minutes ago, KSV said: Ahh that old chest nut. Hourihane who is leading the league with assists from midfield and has 4 goals is 62 and Gil is 66. Got nothing to do with it. But yeah lets go with his physicality. Nothing to do with the drongos he had to play with. I am amazed he gets so much stick.. Grealish was even worse last season. I guess as a 'local lad' all is forgiven. Asking for a move is a crime.. yet 'ohh hes just pissed having fun is ok'. Double standards on here when people want it to suit their arguments. ....but not from me KSV. I liked him, if you have the time check out my previous posts on him. I agree that he was in a team of rubbish, but he didn't contribute either. I very much doubt even Arsenal could find a space for him. Truth is in the UK you need to couple that delicate talent with a physicality, and not many do. He was poor last season, I watched him a lot and other than against Leicester, he just didn't offer enough. As I said above, a real pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2016 54 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Like I said I disagree.... but glad we're clear that we have differing opinions Then you've a lot more faith in our players than I have. If a Premier League team came in for our players I bet most of them would be off 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 4 hours ago, Zatman said: in fairness evil Tim used to bully him by not changing a winning team to start him even though he was powderpuff Tim, winning team? I do not recall to that... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted December 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Then you've a lot more faith in our players than I have. If a Premier League team came in for our players I bet most of them would be off Premier league is a lot different to mediocre la liga team..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 19, 2016 7 hours ago, Villan_of_oz said: Premier league is a lot different to mediocre la liga team..... Not really. Gil is Spanish. I used premier league because a lot of our players are English so it's a comparison. It might not be exact but it's close enough. Imo if a top flight team from a top European league came calling then most of our lot would be off. That's football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 10 hours ago, KSV said: Ahh that old chest nut. Hourihane who is leading the league with assists from midfield and has 4 goals is 62 and Gil is 66. Got nothing to do with it. But yeah lets go with his physicality. Nothing to do with the drongos he had to play with. I am amazed he gets so much stick.. Grealish was even worse last season. I guess as a 'local lad' all is forgiven. Asking for a move is a crime.. yet 'ohh hes just pissed having fun is ok'. Double standards on here when people want it to suit their arguments. 62 and 66?! Please don't tell me this is their Fifa ratings or something like that?? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, thunderball said: Light weight. Physique of a small child... You're joking, right? What utter tosh. 11 hours ago, thunderball said: British football is played by warriors nowadays not mummys boys looking for protection from the referee. Okay, now I know you're definitely pulling our legs. 11 hours ago, thunderball said: He has a talent but only useful in a playground or Spain where you get loads of time and space (awaits onslaught). Or in a team that has other players to protect you and provide you with time and space to utilise your skill. He's not what we need right now, but if we got a couple of better and more physical midfielders, Gil would be a great option for us. He did more for us last season than Grealish so I'm not sure why he gets praise heaped on him whereas Gil is slated. The daftness of football fans I guess. Edited December 19, 2016 by Ginko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 51 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Not really. Gil is Spanish. I used premier league because a lot of our players are English so it's a comparison. It might not be exact but it's close enough. Imo if a top flight team from a top European league came calling then most of our lot would be off. That's football. Well that's not a problem. It's how players go about the move that leaves a sour taste. See the difference in how benteke and Delph are viewed. Gill acted in a complete scumbag way during the summer. And yet fans of the club be massively disrespected still long for his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Just now, DCJonah said: Well that's not a problem. It's how players go about the move that leaves a sour taste. See the difference in how benteke and Delph are viewed. Gill acted in a complete scumbag way during the summer. And yet fans of the club be massively disrespected still long for his return. A scumbag, really? How did he act and how do we know this, exactly? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Ginko said: A scumbag, really? How did he act and how do we know this, exactly? His agent's quotes are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Gil's agent: "“His intention is not to play in the Championship and look for teams in the Premier League and La Liga." Not the most tactful thing to say but second hand scumbag, really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Gil's agent: "“His intention is not to play in the Championship and look for teams in the Premier League and La Liga." Not the most tactful thing to say but second hand scumbag, really? Yes. Getting that out in public is a complete scumbag move. You move if and when the club allow you to move. Until that point you should be committed to the team. He made it clear right away he had no intention of being part of this team. Imagine Gabby's or Bacuna's agent had made that comment. They'd be crucified. But the poor mistreated Gill, not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: 62 and 66?! Please don't tell me this is their Fifa ratings or something like that?? For a brief and very confused moment I thought it was their ages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Ginko said: He's not what we need right now, but if we got a couple of better and more physical midfielders, Gil would be a great option for us. He did more for us last season than Grealish so I'm not sure why he gets praise heaped on him whereas Gil is slated. The daftness of football fans I guess. I can't say I've seen people heaping praise on Grealish for last season. Grealish played a big part in keeping us up the year before and has been a bright spot this season. Gil had little input in us staying up and wasn't particularly good last season, then decided he was too good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 3 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: I can't say I've seen people heaping praise on Grealish for last season. Grealish played a big part in keeping us up the year before and has been a bright spot this season. Gil had little input in us staying up and wasn't particularly good last season, then decided he was too good for us. He never really had the chance to have any input in us staying up, can't really fault him for that. He felt that he was good enough to not stay at a second division team, especially one that wasn't giving him much opportunity to play anyway, and I don't begrudge him for that. He's not doing too bad at the moment in the Spanish top flight and he's playing pretty regularly now so it looks like it was the right choice for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 7 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: 62 and 66?! Please don't tell me this is their Fifa ratings or something like that?? Kilograms I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 53 minutes ago, Keyblade said: He never really had the chance to have any input in us staying up, can't really fault him for that. He felt that he was good enough to not stay at a second division team, especially one that wasn't giving him much opportunity to play anyway, and I don't begrudge him for that. He's not doing too bad at the moment in the Spanish top flight and he's playing pretty regularly now so it looks like it was the right choice for him. I don't think we've ever begrudged any player the opportunity to move to better things. It's how it's done that reflects badly on players. As I mentioned earlier, look at how Delph and Benteke were both viewed after leaving for bigger and better things. Look at the way Barry was treated after his failed attempt to move to Liverpool and the reception milner got in his last game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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