Popular Post sharkyvilla Posted January 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2015 There's an 8 page thread on here discussing new managers and the best we could come up with seems to be Steve McClaren, Mick McCarthy or 'someone Dutch'. I can imagine the first two having protests against them within 6 months, let alone two and a half years. Protesting against Randy seems a bit pointless as he wants to go, it's not as if he's clinging on to power. We've already signed one player in this window and it looks like we've been actively working in at least one other deal, so they are working hard to buy players to help Lambert get a better balance in the squad. I'd rather we did something funny than something that would harm the players when they need support. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yup I'd definitely go for the comical angle. Like the arrows, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 If this protest happens fully or not its going to a horrible atmosphere at villa park on saturday, if we play badly and its gets hostile I think Lambert might walk away. he looked under immense strain during the press conference. I think he may be close to breaking point, thats just my opinion of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 If this protest happens fully or not its going to a horrible atmosphere at villa park on saturday, if we play badly and its gets hostile I think Lambert might walk away. he looked under immense strain during the press conference. I think he may be close to breaking point, thats just my opinion of course That would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 That would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 That would be good. Such an inspiring and energetic looking fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Or it could make for a better atmosphere, maybe sink another pint before ko, sing songs on the concourse get a bit of atmosphere going, a empty but audible Holte would be a surreal experience. I must admit I'm kinda disappointed in the it won't do anything pessimism, maybe so but it certainly won't if we do nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benireduk Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Everyone who is against this protest, can I ask what you would suggest we do instead? Sit back and watch this mess unravel before our eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted January 16, 2015 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Or it could make for a better atmosphere, maybe sink another pint before ko, sing songs on the concourse get a bit of atmosphere going, a empty but audible Holte would be a surreal experience. I must admit I'm kinda disappointed in the it won't do anything pessimism, maybe so but it certainly won't if we do nothing at all. I think the empty Holte would be brilliant for a meaningful protest. However, the problems with this one, as have been pointed out, are numerous 1. First and foremost, it's too late, imo. Something like this needs a few weeks to organise. Despite the media attention, I don't think enough people will know about it. 2. Logistics/health and safety. There is no way that Villa Park will allow potentially 14,000 people to all enter the ground at once. it would be mayhem. ANd if people are all trying to get in after 8 minutes, chances are we'll still be filing in at half time. 3. No message. The message still isn't clear. What's the protest? The manager or the owner? Apparently it's now been clarified as the owner. Ok, what do we want? Him to leave? Well he wants to leave too so that's pointless. Are we just showing general unhappiness about his tenure? If so then why? Half of his tenure was brilliant. And again it's pointless, there's no end product. He wants to sell the club. 4. Lack of unity. Despite the negativity at the club at the moment, not everyone is willing to protest against it. I'm going tomorrow, in the Holte, and I certainly don't intend to protest. Not because I don't agree with the message (whatever it is) as such, just because I don't think protesting is the right way to go about it and I feel the protest futile as even if it happens it won't result in anything. Something like this requires everybody to do it. Not everybody will. I agree that the media attention this has gathered will make it embarrassing when this fails to materialise. but that should be a lesson to the "organisers". Fair play for wanting to do something about where the club is. I'm not against protesting in general. But if I protest I want to know what I'm protesting for, and I want to know that my protest will do something about the situation. Neither of those things have or will happen tomorrow. I also have a personal reason why I won't be protesting which isn't really anything to do with the club. Edited January 16, 2015 by Stevo985 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) The more I think about the protest the more I think it's really stupid. Definitely not taking part in this one. If it was something like holding £ signs, or arrows then i'm in. But there's no message with this particular protest, and it will just look stupid when half the Holte will be full. I think it will be a damp squib myself. EDIT: What Steve985 said! ^ Edited January 16, 2015 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I must admit, I agree with Pieface as well. I think it will be a damp squib as well, but I applaud the efforts to highlight the frustrations of the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I absolutely hate this. The single worst thing to come out of the Lerner/Lambert era is Villains divided. We're some of the most passionate supporters in the Premier League, and the idea that we stand separated bugs the McLeish out of me. Whether you take your seat before kick off and proclaim you're a Holte Ender at the top of your lungs, or you stand in the concourse for 8 minutes, telling the world that we want our Villa back, we share the same love of our team. We each have a passion for our team and should remember that you're no less or more passionate than the guy in his seat. I don't know the answer to moving on from this regime, but if you feel protesting will work, do it. If you feel getting behind the team is more beneficial, crack on, but I'll respect anyone's decision because at the end of the day we want the same thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul33 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Everyone who is against this protest, can I ask what you would suggest we do instead? Sit back and watch this mess unravel before our eyes? If the team plays well then you get behind them, if its more of the same then you unite in singing the same old anti-Lambert stuff later in the game. The chants from the terrace get to Lambert which is why he has commented so much on it AND it gets into the media thus reaches Lerner. You don't need school playground style protests - they are just annoying and will achieve nothing because only the people protesting actually know what its all about. Protest with your voice if there is a need ...... who knows, tomorrow might just be the start of something better LOL !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benireduk Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Everyone who is against this protest, can I ask what you would suggest we do instead? Sit back and watch this mess unravel before our eyes? If the team plays well then you get behind them, if its more of the same then you unite in singing the same old anti-Lambert stuff later in the game. The chants from the terrace get to Lambert which is why he has commented so much on it AND it gets into the media thus reaches Lerner. You don't need school playground style protests - they are just annoying and will achieve nothing because only the people protesting actually know what its all about. Protest with your voice if there is a need ...... who knows, tomorrow might just be the start of something better LOL !!! I liked the seat banging that we did in Graham Taylor mk2 last season. Remember we did it v Blackburn in the cup when we were 4-1 down and Dwight Yorker scored in front of the Holte. Makes a horrible noise and echo's round the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Regarding the protest rumours, I approve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Or it could make for a better atmosphere, maybe sink another pint before ko, sing songs on the concourse get a bit of atmosphere going, a empty but audible Holte would be a surreal experience. I must admit I'm kinda disappointed in the it won't do anything pessimism, maybe so but it certainly won't if we do nothing at all. I think the empty Holte would be brilliant for a meaningful protest. However, the problems with this one, as have been pointed out, are numerous 1. First and foremost, it's too late, imo. Something like this needs a few weeks to organise. Despite the media attention, I don't think enough people will know about it. 2. Logistics/health and safety. There is no way that Villa Park will allow potentially 14,000 people to all enter the ground at once. it would be mayhem. ANd if people are all trying to get in after 8 minutes, chances are we'll still be filing in at half time. 3. No message. The message still isn't clear. What's the protest? The manager or the owner? Apparently it's now been clarified as the owner. Ok, what do we want? Him to leave? Well he wants to leave too so that's pointless. Are we just showing general unhappiness about his tenure? If so then why? Half of his tenure was brilliant. And again it's pointless, there's no end product. He wants to sell the club. 4. Lack of unity. Despite the negativity at the club at the moment, not everyone is willing to protest against it. I'm going tomorrow, in the Holte, and I certainly don't intend to protest. Not because I don't agree with the message (whatever it is) as such, just because I don't think protesting is the right way to go about it and I feel the protest futile as even if it happens it won't result in anything. Something like this requires everybody to do it. Not everybody will. I agree that the media attention this has gathered will make it embarrassing when this fails to materialise. but that should be a lesson to the "organisers". Fair play for wanting to do something about where the club is. I'm not against protesting in general. But if I protest I want to know what I'm protesting for, and I want to know that my protest will do something about the situation. Neither of those things have or will happen tomorrow. I also have a personal reason why I won't be protesting which isn't really anything to do with the club. From Moms Facebook, To recap the Holte End demonstration is in two parts - the second part is as important, but seems to be forgotten!: Part One - Supporters in the Holte don't take their seats until the 8 minute mark (number of completed seasons under Lerner) have passed to demonstrate what happens to a club that shows little progress or ambition and is flirting with the Championship. Part Two - A 82 minutes (symbolic of the year of the club's finest hour) demonstration of the best of vocal Villa fan support, backing the team all the way against Liverpool. To show the potential of what it's like to have a club with ambition where Villa supporters give their all because they believe in those running and managing their club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Seems a complete rehash of what was actually planned to be honest.. It's disorganised and it's going to look a little silly IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I like the idea with the added 82 min thing. However needs to be organised well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Its going to be complete failure as can't see many joining in. If we get a result the media will focus on how silly it looks. If we lose the fans will have turned on Lambert so that will be focused on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul33 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 It has already failed because we are less than 24 hours away and most don't know what is going on or don't care about it so you'll end up with half a dozen people wandering in late and pondering why nobody really gives a damn about what they are trying to do. PS: Gil scores after 3 minutes, Benteke after 5 minutes ..... how many are still standing out back protesting ?!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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