tonyh29 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 10 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I once had to wish someone happy Christmas despite being an atheist after an evil genius wished me one. True story. The evil swine ... For future reference I believe Bah humbug is also an acceptable response to this greeting without offending 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) There we go - Lord Carlile (the bloke who used to be the 'independent' reviewer of anti-terrorism legislation - snigger) is on the news arguing that, in the light of what happened in Paris, we must 'rush through' the investigatory powers bill, that we can 'get it through parliament in a month' and don't need to bother with taking time to contemplate the bill. Dick. Edited November 15, 2015 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) 12 minutes ago, snowychap said: I think there are/have always been a fair few Hindu, Christian, Sikh, Buddhist, &c. bad eggs. I'm guessing the original poster hasn't heard of people like Ashin Wirathu , Bodu Bala Sena or even the KKK Edited November 15, 2015 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Question is will any of the Security Council veto a resolution to sent troops into Syria? Turkey said only Wednesday last week that they would send troops in if it was backed by the UN. If Russia have been attacked and France twice. US and UK are onboard. China will not stand in the way. The only way to resolve this is to impose UN backed border controls to stop the ease of access to Syria to and from Europe. While a comprehensive assault would be swift to drive IS underground in their base in the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 15 minutes ago, snowychap said: There we go - Lord Carlile (the bloke who used to be the 'independent' reviewer of anti-terrorism legislation - snigger) is on the news arguing that, in the light of what happened in Paris, we must 'rush through' the investigatory powers bill, that we can 'get it through parliament in a month' and don't need to bother with taking time to contemplate the bill. Dick. We won't mention cuts to police budgets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 2 hours ago, Arj Guy said: I think that anyone who genuinely believes that attacks like these have nothing to do with islam and are just down to a few bad eggs is incredibly naive. If that were the case, then why aren't there a few bad Hindu eggs killing large amounts of innocent people on a regular basis going back decades and decades? Or Christian or Sikh ect.... Islam is a violent and backward religion whose followers impose it's beliefs on others like no other religion. Christianity, Judiasm and Islam were all born from the same stories and beliefs. In very broad terms they are all different interpretations of the same religion. http://www.islamicity.org/4654/how-is-islam-similar-to-christianity-and-judaism/ Denouncing Islam for the violence of a sick groups interpretation of the Qur'an is as appropriate as attributing responsibility to all the Abrahamic religions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Question is will any of the Security Council veto a resolution to sent troops into Syria? Turkey said only Wednesday last week that they would send troops in if it was backed by the UN. If Russia have been attacked and France twice. US and UK are onboard. China will not stand in the way. The only way to resolve this is to impose UN backed border controls to stop the ease of access to Syria to and from Europe. While a comprehensive assault would be swift to drive IS underground in their base in the region. A resolution to what end because it's not just about sending troops in to Syria, is it? A 'comprehensive assault' against IS forces? Wouldn't that mean a UN resolution to fight alongside Syrian government forces (at least implicitly) thus shoring up the Assad government? If the UK, US and France were to support such a resolution then I'd be rather surprised. Edited November 15, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Rev Posted November 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2015 2 hours ago, Arj Guy said: I think that anyone who genuinely believes that attacks like these have nothing to do with islam and are just down to a few bad eggs is incredibly naive. If that were the case, then why aren't there a few bad Hindu eggs killing large amounts of innocent people on a regular basis going back decades and decades? Or Christian or Sikh ect.... Islam is a violent and backward religion whose followers impose it's beliefs on others like no other religion. Do you only get your news from The Sun or something? If Christians never commit acts of violence then why have Christian nations repeatedly invaded the Middle East? ISIS spung out of an area without a government which only existed because the west bombed the shit out of the governments that were there. Hindus? Narendra Modi (PM of India) is in the country at the moment, he held a big rally at Wembley on Friday night while the attacks were taking place in Paris and just look at his previous when he was Governor of Gujarat, there are a lot of people who insist he was involved in a state sponsored Hindu massacre of Muslims back then and even if that's not the case I don't think you can argue that he didn't just stand and watch it happen. I 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ It's long so I'll just post the first paragraph. Quote What is the Islamic State? Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 hour ago, snowychap said: There we go - Lord Carlile (the bloke who used to be the 'independent' reviewer of anti-terrorism legislation - snigger) is on the news arguing that, in the light of what happened in Paris, we must 'rush through' the investigatory powers bill, that we can 'get it through parliament in a month' and don't need to bother with taking time to contemplate the bill. Dick. I wondered when we would start hearing this line trotted out ... Surprised it took them this long 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted November 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2015 20 minutes ago, The_Rev said: Do you only get your news from The Sun or something? If Christians never commit acts of violence then why have Christian nations repeatedly invaded the Middle East? ISIS spung out of an area without a government which only existed because the west bombed the shit out of the governments that were there. Hindus? Narendra Modi (PM of India) is in the country at the moment, he held a big rally at Wembley on Friday night while the attacks were taking place in Paris and just look at his previous when he was Governor of Gujarat, there are a lot of people who insist he was involved in a state sponsored Hindu massacre of Muslims back then and even if that's not the case I don't think you can argue that he didn't just stand and watch it happen. I He certainly was 'involved', as he was the Premier of Gujarat at the time. He has been legally cleared of any responsibility for the intercommunal violence that followed, though that court decision has been credibly accused of suppression of evidence and political influence. In 2002, a train carrying Hindu pilgrims was set on fire. In retaliation, Hindus in Gujarat began a pogrom of violence against the state's Muslim community. Somewhere between 500 and 2000 Muslims were killed, many of them set on fire. Other tactics used were acid attacks, flooding homes, electrocuting people and a widespread campaign of rape and sexual violence, including parading naked women through towns and villages before beheading or burning them. Women and children were in fact frequently specifically targeted. People from all kinds of backgrounds do really, really horrible stuff in the name of religion. It certainly isn't limited to Muslims. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 hour ago, snowychap said: A resolution to what end because it's not just about sending troops in to Syria, is it? A 'comprehensive assault' against IS forces? Wouldn't that mean a UN resolution to fight alongside Syrian government forces (at least implicitly) thus shoring up the Assad government? If the UK, US and France were to support such a resolution then I'd be rather surprised. I can't imagine it'll involve Syrian forces. It would set out an agreed line with which UN troops will operate, specifically in the Eastern Syria. Syrian forces just need to set up a defensive line, possibly supported by Russian air forces. The Zone of operation is all hat needs agreeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted November 15, 2015 Administrator Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 hour ago, snowychap said: I think there are/have always been a fair few Hindu, Christian, Sikh, Buddhist, &c. bad eggs. There have always been bad eggs. Their affiliation to religion is for their own convenience. They use religion as a tool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 12 minutes ago, CVByrne said: I can't imagine it'll involve Syrian forces. It would set out an agreed line with which UN troops will operate, specifically in the Eastern Syria. Syrian forces just need to set up a defensive line, possibly supported by Russian air forces. The Zone of operation is all hat needs agreeing. I'm not sure how practical that would be or whether the Russians would support that and if it involves Syrian (government) forces setting up a defensive line then it would, in effect, be a shoring up of the Assad government, wouldn't it? I'm not sure what that would say to those groups whom we (the US/UK) are supposedly supporting or to those who have been displaced/threatened/ill treated by Assad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 How many isis fighters are in Europe right now, ready to do something similar? it could be thousands. Angela Merkel and her kind can **** right off, spineless cowards the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted November 15, 2015 Administrator Share Posted November 15, 2015 Just now, Ikantcpell said: How many isis fighters are in Europe right now, ready to do something similar? it could be thousands. Angela Merkel and her kind can **** right off, spineless cowards the lot of them. and it might be zero. They probably don't have lots of spare "fighters" seeing as they are fighting a war at home. There are lots of indoctrinated locals who can act in their name around the rest of the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ikantcpell said: How many isis fighters are in Europe right now, ready to do something similar? it could be thousands. Angela Merkel and her kind can **** right off, spineless cowards the lot of them. It's very difficult to know these things. What we apparently know is that a couple of the attackers came over from Syria as 'refugees', were they actually apart of ISIS? Or were they just Syrian's motivated to commit acts of violence in Europe, but not necessarily having being apart of ISIS or trained by them. I guess we will find out. But I think it's fair to say that a number of people will have posed as refugees in order to get into Europe, and plan to attack various cities/citizens in Europe. This was obviously something some pointed out during the crisis.. Those of us who were concerned about security risk do not look so stupid now. Edited November 15, 2015 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 11 minutes ago, snowychap said: I'm not sure how practical that would be or whether the Russians would support that and if it involves Syrian (government) forces setting up a defensive line then it would, in effect, be a shoring up of the Assad government, wouldn't it? I'm not sure what that would say to those groups whom we (the US/UK) are supposedly supporting or to those who have been displaced/threatened/ill treated by Assad. There is no perfect solution, but simply put Assad government doesn't plan attacks on European Cities, or Russian Airliners. It may be unpalatable but UN involvement has to happen, at least with UN troops in Syria if / when IS are defeated and driven underground it gives leaverage in how the future for Syria looks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) 14 hours ago, Arj Guy said: I think that anyone who genuinely believes that attacks like these have nothing to do with islam and are just down to a few bad eggs is incredibly naive. If that were the case, then why aren't there a few bad Hindu eggs killing large amounts of innocent people on a regular basis going back decades and decades? Or Christian or Sikh ect.... Islam is a violent and backward religion whose followers impose it's beliefs on others like no other religion. wah wah wah. as limpid said, its just **** up people doing mental gymnastics to justify their means. I can claim to be a vegetarian, but if i meat every day its pretty obvious that im not, just in the same sense that these people claim to be muslim, exactly in the same way that Breivik claimed to be christian. Edited November 15, 2015 by tomaspg wah wah wah = personal shit that i wish i hadnt posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 3 hours ago, limpid said: and it might be zero. They probably don't have lots of spare "fighters" seeing as they are fighting a war at home. There are lots of indoctrinated locals who can act in their name around the rest of the world. And those indoctrinated locals shoud be shipped back to the middle east, or wichever shit country they are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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