snowychap Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 3 minutes ago, Ikantcpell said: They are not unfairly treated, sweden are probably the least racist country in the world, we give in to all their demands. We have huge problems here and people are fed up with it, and many of us feel betrayed by our politicans. I'm not convinced that all of those statements and claims in bold go together too neatly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: I've tried wahhabism a couple of times and really really didn't like it. Last time I tried it was quite recent, I was a bit confused when I tried it but knew straight away it still wasn't for me. you welsh will try anything once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted November 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: I've tried wahhabism a couple of times and really really didn't like it. Are you sure you don't mean wasabi? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 11 minutes ago, Chindie said: They must have kept the flood of terrorists quiet. Maybe it's more a drizzle of terrorists? Or maybe this is a silly comment. I'm not sure. Yeah, really silly comment by you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 minute ago, snowychap said: Are you sure you don't mean wasabi? just checked back through my diary, yep, wasabi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 2 minutes ago, snowychap said: I'm not convinced that all of those statements and claims in bold go together too neatly. Well iam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted November 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 minute ago, Ikantcpell said: Well iam. Don't know what he's got to do with it. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 22 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: Swedes are actually a minority in Malmo now aren't they? Yes we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 7 minutes ago, snowychap said: I'm not convinced that all of those statements and claims in bold go together too neatly. do you not believe him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tomaspg Posted November 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2015 2 minutes ago, snowychap said: I'm not convinced that all of those statements and claims in bold go together too neatly. they dont. we have always claimed to be in the front when it comes to welcoming refugees, fighting inequalities, anti-racism and to be fair, it might be a bit of a generalisation of us as a people, but we have always been on our high horses pretending we are ethically and principally superior, do-gooders to the bone. But its easy holding up those principles to get a pat on the back when its easy, but now when its getting strained, when its tough, we start fiddling with our principles. The whole **** point of ethics, principles and so on is that they are suppose to be a guiding light, they are not worth shit if you give up on them as soon as it starts to get tough to follow through. Its now that they are the most important part of our view of life and were giving up on them. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 minute ago, Ikantcpell said: Yes we are. shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: shocking. Shhhhh, you cant say that, people will scream racist at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 15, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 15, 2015 2 minutes ago, Ikantcpell said: Yeah, really silly comment by you. I dunno. My comments don't sound like they come out of Goebbels playbook. It sounds like you just don't like Muslims. That you don't view brown people as true Swedes. That the refugees coming to Europe to seek a better life are actually in your opinion an army to knife Europe and bleed it dry and pick over the righteous white folks corpses. I might be wrong, I guess. Language issues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: shocking. depends on how you count. 33% are born outside sweden. 11% are born in sweden but with both parents as immigrants. source: http://malmo.se/Kommun--politik/Statistik/Befolkning/Utlandsk-bakgrund.html source is in swedish, but most web browsers can translate well enough. Edited November 15, 2015 by tomaspg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: do you not believe him? I don't disbelieve that what Ikant thinks is what he actually thinks/believes. What I questioned there was that what he said actually fitted together well. He said that it was the least racist country in the world (a) and yet they 'give in' to 'their demands' (b) and they have 'huge problems' (c) and 'people are fed up with it' (d) . Now, one would assume that he meant that c and d were as a result of b - that's without querying the phrasing (albeit in a second language) of b when held up against the claim a. Edited November 15, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted November 15, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2015 The place where you live is going to change. Always. This is a fact of 21st century living. Every culture seems to struggle with its first generation of immigrants, the initial cultural clash. In the sixties and seventies, the UK had huge issues with understanding and adjusting to Caribbean and Indian culture, yet nowadays, the anglicised versions of those cultures and the effect they've had on traditional British culture are just how Britain is -they're the norm; a curry is as much part of Englishness as roast beef and yorkshire pudding. I love that culture is fluid, that it's flexible - understanding this is the key to beating the problems that are endemic in the middle east. Change in the modern world is a constant, a permanent state of flux. In 50 years time, Sweden will be different as a result of its immigrants, if you're as lucky as we are, it'll be better. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Just now, Ikantcpell said: Shhhhh, you cant say that, people will scream racist at you. i know but it really is shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 minute ago, snowychap said: I don't disbelieve that what Ikant thinks is what he actually thinks/believes. What I questioned there was that what he said actually fitted together well. He said that it was the least racist country in the world (a) and yet they 'give in' to 'their demands' (b) and they have 'huge problems' (c) and 'people are fed up with it' (c) . Now, one would assume that he meant that c and d were as a result of b - that's without querying the phrasing (albeit in a second language) of b when held up against the claim a. steady on your confusing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 7 minutes ago, tomaspg said: The whole **** point of ethics, principles and so on is that they are suppose to be a guiding light, they are not worth shit if you give up on them as soon as it starts to get tough to follow through. Its now that they are the most important part of our view of life and were giving up on them. Spot on. :thumb: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 7 minutes ago, tomaspg said: they dont. we have always claimed to be in the front when it comes to welcoming refugees, fighting inequalities, anti-racism and to be fair, it might be a bit of a generalisation of us as a people, but we have always been on our high horses pretending we are ethically and principally superior, do-gooders to the bone. But its easy holding up those principles to get a pat on the back when its easy, but now when its getting strained, when its tough, we start fiddling with our principles. The whole **** point of ethics, principles and so on is that they are suppose to be a guiding light, they are not worth shit if you give up on them as soon as it starts to get tough to follow through. Its now that they are the most important part of our view of life and were giving up on them. interesting to read that you have a different view to your fellow countryman even though gothenburg is having a lot of problems too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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