Ads Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 I bring Wahhabism into it because you quoted somebody talking about radicalised Islam and he gave his specific cause for it. I disagreed with the quote in general and made a specific point where I explain what I see has the root of one type of radical Islam. I think there is always room for talking about the Magic Kingdom when it comes to Islamic based terrorism. I am reacting to material you posted, so why you’re attempting to suggest I have wandered of topic is beyond me. It seems a contradiction to me, that you are criticising me for going off topic somehow, yet you’re defence seems to be an endless stream of non sequitur. Like the whole raicsm/Islam debate you're attempting to have. It seems an unecessary matter to bring up in a discussion absent from any of the boorish comments alluded to by CED. By all means start a topic on white supremacists in the US or Hitler - but maybe you should heed your own advice? So you know for a fact that the Paris shooters are funded by a dead man annoyed by a dead empire? That must be Magic. By the way, I have not posted anything about radicalizes Islam. I just posted a quote by someone with a different view on racism than some people on here. I disagree with the fact that Islamophobia is not racism. And it is very much connected to the shooting, as the motive by the shooters is very much connected to the cartoons. Some consider them blasphemic, other consider them racist/Islamophobic. I don’t want to repeat myself for a third time and will assume you’re being disingenuous instead. If the killers are taken alive, we may learn more about their motives at a subsequent trial, but I think given how specific their targeting was in general, that their issue was with the magazine having previously printed cartoons of Mohammed and being generally laissez fare in their criticisms of Islam or terrorists carrying out atrocities in Africa etc, their issue is clear. I don’t think the magazine’s mockery of Islam is race related. They're mocking the religion specifically first and therefore an idea, which may offend the adherents, who may be of any particular race. I think race can come into it, but only in narrow circumstances such as CED suggested, which to take further by giving an example, would be BNP types who simply don’t like the colour of a persons’ skin and lump in their feelings about Muslims, when they may well be taking exception to a Hindu as far as their ignorant minds are concerned. I think that sort of thing is pretty easy to spot. Look who's rude now. But for the third time asking, you actually responded something about the events and not about a dead figure in a country far far away. The discussion has ranged over a number of points, as threads always will. I am not sure what your issue with that is, but there we are. My issue is that I don't want to be drawn into a discussion about individualistic religious experience that stigmatize a whole lot of people. You can have that with someone else. Who was stigmatizing who? Are you capable of making a post without a thinly veiled insult? You’ve gone from insinuating posters on here are racist and now you’re suggesting that by mentioning Wahhabism people are being demonised. Perhaps it should be left there. CED, good to hear its a false alarm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted January 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9, 2015 As I've said before, I'm really not looking forward to our Paris trip next month now. It's mainly to take my daughter to Disneyland, but we did want to go to the city to look around. Contemplating just sticking to Disney now, it's just not worth it and all that matters to me is my daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 As I've said before, I'm really not looking forward to our Paris trip next month now. It's mainly to take my daughter to Disneyland, but we did want to go to the city to look around. Contemplating just sticking to Disney now, it's just not worth it and all that matters to me is my daughter. Then take her to the proper Disneyland cheapo! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I bring Wahhabism into it because you quoted somebody talking about radicalised Islam and he gave his specific cause for it. I disagreed with the quote in general and made a specific point where I explain what I see has the root of one type of radical Islam. I think there is always room for talking about the Magic Kingdom when it comes to Islamic based terrorism. I am reacting to material you posted, so why you’re attempting to suggest I have wandered of topic is beyond me. It seems a contradiction to me, that you are criticising me for going off topic somehow, yet you’re defence seems to be an endless stream of non sequitur. Like the whole raicsm/Islam debate you're attempting to have. It seems an unecessary matter to bring up in a discussion absent from any of the boorish comments alluded to by CED. By all means start a topic on white supremacists in the US or Hitler - but maybe you should heed your own advice? So you know for a fact that the Paris shooters are funded by a dead man annoyed by a dead empire? That must be Magic. By the way, I have not posted anything about radicalizes Islam. I just posted a quote by someone with a different view on racism than some people on here. I disagree with the fact that Islamophobia is not racism. And it is very much connected to the shooting, as the motive by the shooters is very much connected to the cartoons. Some consider them blasphemic, other consider them racist/Islamophobic. I don’t want to repeat myself for a third time and will assume you’re being disingenuous instead. If the killers are taken alive, we may learn more about their motives at a subsequent trial, but I think given how specific their targeting was in general, that their issue was with the magazine having previously printed cartoons of Mohammed and being generally laissez fare in their criticisms of Islam or terrorists carrying out atrocities in Africa etc, their issue is clear. I don’t think the magazine’s mockery of Islam is race related. They're mocking the religion specifically first and therefore an idea, which may offend the adherents, who may be of any particular race. I think race can come into it, but only in narrow circumstances such as CED suggested, which to take further by giving an example, would be BNP types who simply don’t like the colour of a persons’ skin and lump in their feelings about Muslims, when they may well be taking exception to a Hindu as far as their ignorant minds are concerned. I think that sort of thing is pretty easy to spot. Look who's rude now. But for the third time asking, you actually responded something about the events and not about a dead figure in a country far far away. The discussion has ranged over a number of points, as threads always will. I am not sure what your issue with that is, but there we are. My issue is that I don't want to be drawn into a discussion about individualistic religious experience that stigmatize a whole lot of people. You can have that with someone else. Who was stigmatizing who? Are you capable of making a post without a thinly veiled insult? You’ve gone from insinuating posters on here are racist and now you’re suggesting that by mentioning Wahhabism people are being demonised. Perhaps it should be left there. CED, good to hear its a false alarm. It was a general statement. Souldn't read insults in everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Edit. Not worth it. Will probably be accused of racism against the momo's. Edited January 9, 2015 by Ingram85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Edit. Not worth it. Will probably be accused of racism against the momo's. Oh stop. I never accused anyone of being that, but it would be cool if I had a following. It looks like quite an operation those shooters have in Paris. On one side they want to die as martyrs, on the other hand their friends wants them alive. Unreal that it has gone this far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 As I've said before, I'm really not looking forward to our Paris trip next month now. It's mainly to take my daughter to Disneyland, but we did want to go to the city to look around. Contemplating just sticking to Disney now, it's just not worth it and all that matters to me is my daughter. I wouldn't risk it. There could be big bad Jihadists hidden under those costumes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Whatever.....just pray there is no more loss of life Surley there must be better way of settling our differences ? Edited January 9, 2015 by smetrov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Bop it? Pro evo? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Momo and Ads, please give the quotathon a rest, eh? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Shits hitting the fan now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Gunfire followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ads Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Seems that GIGN have assaulted the Printworks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 15:54 Israel's Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says his government is following the situation in Paris "with concern". "The terrorist offensive taking place over the past three days," he continues, "is not only against the French people or France's Jews but against the entire free world." What about the terrorist attacks your country commited on the Palestinian people killing 2,200 innocent men,woman and children? Looks like Israel may get involved now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 They ain't part of the free world, duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ads Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Explosions heard near the supermarket. Sounds like that is being stormed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ads Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Charlie Hebdo killers have been killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 FFS.. they got away with it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 FFS.. they got away with it.. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted January 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2015 As I've said before, I'm really not looking forward to our Paris trip next month now. It's mainly to take my daughter to Disneyland, but we did want to go to the city to look around. Contemplating just sticking to Disney now, it's just not worth it and all that matters to me is my daughter. i understand your concern but on that basis stay in bed and never leave the house as your more likely to get run over by a car or attacked by a 4 ft tall man by the name of George dressed as Elvis as you walk to the shops I'm not trying to trivialise events or your concerns , but bad things happen all the time ...Que Sera Sera and all that 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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