sexbelowsound Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Could Cleverley have been a Roy Keane influenced signing? Doesn't follow any similar pattern to previous Lambert signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Thorgan Hazard is close to going to Borussia Monchengladbach for £6.2mil, pity we don't try for him specially at that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 the question is if Vlaar and Delph left now would we get relegated? Vlaar is our captain and was very good vs Sunderland, but you'd think we now have Clark playing well, Okore playing well, and Senderos and Baker coming back you would think we might be ok. Hard to predict though either way. My opinion only is that Vlaar gets forward and affects play from time to time, not sure that makes a huge difference. If we lose Delph and didn't sign Cleverly, then we would have Sanchez, Westwood and Richardson. That wouldn't work out well. So we would need to do that rare thing that we hate doing and ensure we have a replacement for Delph lined up before we sell him, preferably not Cleverly. Even having Cleverly is not a replacement for Delph, would it stop us getting relegated? I don't think we would. The problem with our squad overall is that it's pretty... average. Delph has the potential to be a good player, but doesn't really do much for us due to his lack of end product. Vlaar is a good leader and good defender, but isn't so outstanding that he'd be hard to replace (unlike, say, Laursen) - indeed, Okore and Clark showed that during their period of being in the team together. Ideally, we'd keep hold of both of them and add to the team with more quality. Either that or we'd replace them with better players if we got rid of them in January. The worst case scenario would be letting them go in January and not replacing them or adding to the team at all. Even then, a big enough fall to see us get relegated? Unless we pick up a whole heap more injuries/suspensions, I'm not convinced it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 8 mill for cleverley would be a joke Westwood is better than him and we paid what 1 - 2 mill for him? I think it's difficult to compare the two. Westwood was a particularly good bit of business that would be difficult to replicate. As ordinary as Cleverley has been, I think it's a fair price in the market. But do we need two water carriers? We already have one i do not see the point in shedding out 8 mill for Cleverley when we can spend it on a creative player we desperately need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 After two dire performances by mind has been changed somewhat on Cleverley. We need to see more bang for our buck. I'm not sure I'm in a position to name names. I don't play football manager. But if he does have ~£8m to spend I've got faith in him to find the right player. Whether that player is available in January remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yeah, I hope we don't spend that much on Cleverley. Needs to be someone who would have a greater impact on our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Or any impact ideally 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Or any impact ideally Nah, I wouldn't want someone who had a negative impact dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 the question is if Vlaar and Delph left now would we get relegated? Vlaar is our captain and was very good vs Sunderland, but you'd think we now have Clark playing well, Okore playing well, and Senderos and Baker coming back you would think we might be ok. Hard to predict though either way. My opinion only is that Vlaar gets forward and affects play from time to time, not sure that makes a huge difference. If we lose Delph and didn't sign Cleverly, then we would have Sanchez, Westwood and Richardson. That wouldn't work out well. So we would need to do that rare thing that we hate doing and ensure we have a replacement for Delph lined up before we sell him, preferably not Cleverly. Even having Cleverly is not a replacement for Delph, would it stop us getting relegated? I don't think we would. The problem with our squad overall is that it's pretty... average. Delph has the potential to be a good player, but doesn't really do much for us due to his lack of end product. Vlaar is a good leader and good defender, but isn't so outstanding that he'd be hard to replace (unlike, say, Laursen) - indeed, Okore and Clark showed that during their period of being in the team together. Ideally, we'd keep hold of both of them and add to the team with more quality. Either that or we'd replace them with better players if we got rid of them in January. The worst case scenario would be letting them go in January and not replacing them or adding to the team at all. Even then, a big enough fall to see us get relegated? Unless we pick up a whole heap more injuries/suspensions, I'm not convinced it is. Better results against teams we really should have beaten would have put us in a position where we could have afforded to lose both of them and survive. Vlaar I thought we had cover for, and Delph I do not think has a great impact on any game. But with recent results, I am not so sure we could afford to lose them both. We looked to be safe at one point last season and then dropped alarmingly quickly down the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I won't be upset if we pick Cleverley up on a free in the summer or a negligible fee now, but there's no way he's an £8m player on what he's shown so far. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulfromsutton Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I'd be delighted if we picked him up cheap now or free in the summer 8m would be a piss take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh621 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What do people reckon Cleverley is worth and what's the max you'd pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 £0 and £0 p/w 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What do people reckon Cleverley is worth and what's the max you'd pay? A snickers bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Has this been mentioned yet? http://talksport.com/football/aston-villa-transfer-news-lambert-lining-deal-german-midfield-starlet-141219129280 His name, strangely not mentioned in the article, is Hany Mukhtar. Looks interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Gutted Holt is injured for 9 months - he could have answered all our goalscoring problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Wasn't the Ukrainian league shut down though? No? It's the winter break at the moment. Last season it was delayed after the winter break then all the matches were played behind closed doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What do people reckon Cleverley is worth and what's the max you'd pay? A snickers bar. He's not Tom when he's hungry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What do people reckon Cleverley is worth and what's the max you'd pay? A snickers bar. He's not Tom when he's hungry. Honestly would have to consider whether or not I'd give up my Snickers for him. A Mars bar maybe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Thorgan Hazard is close to going to Borussia Monchengladbach for £6.2mil, pity we don't try for him specially at that price. What has he ever done besides have a brother who's very good at football? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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