limvillian Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 People expecting him to score 5-7 goals in 17 games, presumably as s bench player... Talk about setting him up to fail. I'd say if he scores a single 3-point winning goal he'd be a huge success. A huge success? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) If he scores 2 or 3 goals and we take points from those games he will be worth this loan spell for sure. A bit like when Keane scored the goals that beat Wolves a couple of seasons back. Edited January 15, 2014 by LondonLax 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Wow this thread is really stupid. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pez1974 Posted January 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2014 Wow this thread is really stupid. Yep. The main issue seems to be that Holt isn't good enough based upon personal judgements (his weight and fitness) and 6 months at a club (Wigan) in a period of massive change having got relegated, lost a few players and trying to compete in Europe. Plus he isn't a midfielder or defender. All of which, in my opinion, is utter bollocks. Fact - we lost our first reserve striker to a season ending injury. Fact - our main striker has been out of form all season. Fact - we do not have a lot of money. Fact - there is still more than 2 weeks of the transfer window left. Fact - our team is very young Opinion - we need to replace the role that Kozak filled for us, as an injury to Benteke and we are screwed Opinion - in the circumstances, he provides a very low risk and relatively low cost option, short term solution to this problem, which is not our main priority Opinion - we will sign others during January, and certainly in midfielder Opinion - reinforcements in defense are less important than covering Kozak, as Okore is due to return in March apparently, and at least we have cover in that area Opinion - the defensive cover isn't good enough so needs a long term permanent solution rather than £2m or £3m on Lescott for a few months (or the best part of £20m for 3 1/2 years as WHam are proposing it seems - the Shay Given method!) Fact - some people react too quickly, but if we don't sign midfield reinforcements in January, There will be Blood! 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 People expecting him to score 5-7 goals in 17 games, presumably as s bench player... Talk about setting him up to fail. I'd say if he scores a single 3-point winning goal he'd be a huge success. A huge success? Really? Absolutely. No striker coming off the bench has scored a single goal for Villa all season. Pretty sure ( I may be wrong ) the only goal scored from a sub was Bacuna's against Cardiff. Why would you expect Grant Holt to do much more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez1974 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) People expecting him to score 5-7 goals in 17 games, presumably as s bench player... Talk about setting him up to fail. I'd say if he scores a single 3-point winning goal he'd be a huge success. A huge success? Really? Absolutely. No striker coming off the bench has scored a single goal for Villa all season. Pretty sure ( I may be wrong ) the only goal scored from a sub was Bacuna's against Cardiff. Why would you expect Grant Holt to do much more? Kozak came on early for Benteke at Norwich and scored the winner Edited January 15, 2014 by Pez1974 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth10 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hopefully he can show benteke how to rough up defenders Blimey, it wasn't so long ago he was being labelled as the " Beast" reputations don't last long, do they? I see the point dakid007 was trying to make here, yes Benteke is a beast and does rough up defenders, however look at the amount of free-kicks he concedes in doing so, Holt on the other hand has a lot more nous about him and you will see time and time again that although he is often dishing it out to defenders he seems to get a lot of decisions, definitely something Benteke could learn from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Welcome Grant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 If he wasn't 33 and struggling in the championship I might buy into the argument.It is a short term loan deal for goodness' sake. Ungrateful people, tut tut. Ungrateful? What a load of shit. Why should I be grateful of yet another season of watching shit football. Getting boring now BJ.....on his day Holt is a handful and can be a nasty fecker, if 10% of that rubs off on Benteke it's worth the loan fee in itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Haha means very good indeed. I agree with you without a doubt, on my three trips to the DW Stadium I've had a pie and pint every time, the Balti ones are especially tasty Looks like GH has been secretly eating the pies, I'd wondered why Uwe Rosler had been leaving the fat lazy **** on the bench, probably sneakily been eating them whilst sitting on the bench. I can imagine Rosler turning around in the intention of bringing on Holt and he is stuffing his face with one of the pies, reaction along the lines of "FFS Grant, I warned you before about eating them." Shocking signing from PL, lack of ambition to sign an overweight and lazy striker who can't even get into Wigan's starting 11 in the Championship. Expecting a counter arguement of he was signed as Kozak's replacement, well we already have Helenius and Gabby can always play up top with two wingers either side. Sorry I forgot PL only wants us to play one style of football, Guzan to Benteke, HOOF Had one good season in the Premier League (15 goals in the 2011/12 season) and has now progressively dropped down the ladder. Well thought out post full of vitirol and abuse here, congratulations. Also, your attempt at humour is painfully unfunny. It's also massively ironic, because you can almost guarantee he's in better shape than you. Agree....you would think that a 'professional journalist' (hahahaha) could come up with something a little more insightful wouldn't you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witheorwithoutyou Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 BJ is bang on the money. What a statement of how low we have sunk! I would rather give an academy product a go than pay an obese has-been. He will be ineffective and to me Rosler must be thinking "Bonus, Send him to Villa to get himself fit and we'll sell him in the summer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 BJ is bang on the money. What a statement of how low we have sunk! I would rather give an academy product a go than pay an obese has-been. He will be ineffective and to me Rosler must be thinking "Bonus, Send him to Villa to get himself fit and we'll sell him in the summer" Insightful stuff! Which 'academy product' do you have in mind to replace Benteke, if injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 if 10% of that rubs off on Benteke it's worth the loan fee in itself Do you honestly think that £20million rated Benteke, a player going to the World Cup and an inflated ego since his little scoring run last year, is going to think he has anything to learn from an overweight journeyman we've borrowed from a club currently struggling to do anything in the league below us? Pull the other one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 People expecting him to score 5-7 goals in 17 games, presumably as s bench player... Talk about setting him up to fail. I think he'll get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witheorwithoutyou Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 BJ is bang on the money. What a statement of how low we have sunk! I would rather give an academy product a go than pay an obese has-been. He will be ineffective and to me Rosler must be thinking "Bonus, Send him to Villa to get himself fit and we'll sell him in the summer" Insightful stuff! Which 'academy product' do you have in mind to replace Benteke, if injured? anyone with two legs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witheorwithoutyou Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 BJ is bang on the money. What a statement of how low we have sunk! I would rather give an academy product a go than pay an obese has-been. He will be ineffective and to me Rosler must be thinking "Bonus, Send him to Villa to get himself fit and we'll sell him in the summer" Insightful stuff! Which 'academy product' do you have in mind to replace Benteke, if injured? anyone with two legs Apologies - let me expand. Any centre half playing against an immobile Holt will have the easiest day in football history. Two seasons ago he could just about cut it but if he is so out of shape he will be a piece of piss to mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 If he wasn't 33 and struggling in the championship I might buy into the argument. It is a short term loan deal for goodness' sake. Ungrateful people, tut tut. Ungrateful? What a load of shit. Why should I be grateful of yet another season of watching shit football. Getting boring now BJ.....on his day Holt is a handful and can be a nasty fecker, if 10% of that rubs off on Benteke it's worth the loan fee in itself This is Benteke who left Chris Smalling looking like he'd been hit by a truck, and who broke somebody's collar bone, and last year in a pitiful Villa team was our highest scorer since Dwight Yorke. Yeah, he's got a lot to learn from Grant Holt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 HOLT LUIS. Headline after he gets the winner on Saturday. HOLT'S HOLTE. Headlines after a brace destroys WBA . And so on and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witheorwithoutyou Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 One more point - SURELY there are better options even for a loan?? Guidetti smacked 20-odd goals for feyenoord and stoke have just taken him on loan. That's a gamble worth taking - Young, fit again and looking to prove something. That is the sort of loan we should be looking for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 if 10% of that rubs off on Benteke it's worth the loan fee in itself Do you honestly think that £20million rated Benteke, a player going to the World Cup and an inflated ego since his little scoring run last year, is going to think he has anything to learn from an overweight journeyman we've borrowed from a club currently struggling to do anything in the league below us? Pull the other one! Beat me to it. I find it incredulous that one side of the debate should decided the other is a ridiculous stance and then produce statements like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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