mikeyp102 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 16 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: Perhaps Potchettino would be the right man for building them from what they've currently got? If they're going for Mourinho I'd just get him in now, no point in waiting til the summer. Don't think Mourinho would sign until the summer, he's no fool and wouldn't want this season on his record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 2 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: Don't think Mourinho would sign until the summer, he's no fool and wouldn't want this season on his record it cant be any worse than his current 2015/16 performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Hi Jose's point of view, if he knows its a done deal he can enjoy the rest of the reason as a fan with a bit of scouting for his new employer. Perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanwesty88 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Say Manchester United won the Europa League but finished 5th in the Premier League, would that mean that 4th place in the league loses their champions league spot to Man Utd? What if the above happened but then Chelsea won the Champions League would both Chelsea and Manchester United quality for the CL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I believe winning the Europa league wouldn't count as taking away a champs spot from the league, but Chelsea winning the champs league would. So the top 3 from our league would make the champs leauge, while United and Chelsea would make it from winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted February 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2016 hehehe - nice to see Villa aren't the only total disaster of club at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Thats it for lvg surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 nah, they'll let him ride out the season. They must be writing off CL though, West Ham or Southampton look better bets to try and chase that down. As long as they're in cups he'll stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Andy goldstein and Jason Cindy currently talking shite (no surprises) about this lot. When are this ex professionals/slash media gonna pull their heads from their arse, wake up and stop pandering to these idiot players. Do I think LVG is doing a good job? Not particularly. Is it because he makes them train the day before a game at k.o. time or eat the same meal the night before. No its not. If the players are not playing for him because they are unhappy about stuff like that in their Job then **** me they all want sacking. I'm no old skool dinosaur, I'm 30 but what the **** has happened to doing Wtf you a told at work? Within reason obv. Starting to really dislike this sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 that United team was shocking though only saw 2nd half and they looked woeful. Mata has gone off the boil and at fault for the goal and I dont understand the point or hype about Schneiderlein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 7 hours ago, villanwesty88 said: Say Manchester United won the Europa League but finished 5th in the Premier League, would that mean that 4th place in the league loses their champions league spot to Man Utd? What if the above happened but then Chelsea won the Champions League would both Chelsea and Manchester United quality for the CL? nope Spain had 5 teams in it this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: that United team was shocking though only saw 2nd half and they looked woeful. Mata has gone off the boil and at fault for the goal and I dont understand the point or hype about Schneiderlein But when, are we as a collective audience going to say: Nah hang on a minute, let's stop pointing the finger at him and let's pull him to one side instead. Juan, you cost 37m quid, you're a Spanish international. When on earth are you going to start pulling your socks up. We're (as an audience) focusing on the wrong thing and to me it's blindingly obvious so I'm not sure why the media/pundits don't push through with their minimal criticisms of players. I don't get it at all. Why are we not suggesting walking out of stadiums in protest at players dictating? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 7 hours ago, Zatman said: nope Spain had 5 teams in it this season 5 Teams in the Champions League from 1 country is bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 7 hours ago, Woodytom said: But when, are we as a collective audience going to say: Nah hang on a minute, let's stop pointing the finger at him and let's pull him to one side instead. Juan, you cost 37m quid, you're a Spanish international. When on earth are you going to start pulling your socks up. We're (as an audience) focusing on the wrong thing and to me it's blindingly obvious so I'm not sure why the media/pundits don't push through with their minimal criticisms of players. I don't get it at all. Why are we not suggesting walking out of stadiums in protest at players dictating? Going forwards we have bigger TV deal -> more wages for players -> players caring less once contract is signed -> football eating itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 They spent badly this seaosn no doubt. letting RVP and hernandez go with only martial in was bad business. Depay has been a major flop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 8 hours ago, Woodytom said: But when, are we as a collective audience going to say: Nah hang on a minute, let's stop pointing the finger at him and let's pull him to one side instead. Juan, you cost 37m quid, you're a Spanish international. When on earth are you going to start pulling your socks up. We're (as an audience) focusing on the wrong thing and to me it's blindingly obvious so I'm not sure why the media/pundits don't push through with their minimal criticisms of players. I don't get it at all. Why are we not suggesting walking out of stadiums in protest at players dictating? If my manager was as incompetent, dull and arrogant as LVG I would find it really hard to stay motivated myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: If my manager was as incompetent, dull and arrogant as LVG I would find it really hard to stay motivated myself. You're completely missing the point. Of course we all have moments where we are like, Wtf? I had a manager once who came in to the room I was working in for £6.50p/h and said I'm going to swap you all for cheaper eastern Europeans. Whether it was tongue in cheek or not it wasn't motivating and I felt like not trying and walking out the door. But I needed that £6.50p/h, If only to make sure I had a suitable pair of shoes to wear for an interview for a new job. Not everyone is motivated by money of course. Footballers are tho. They wouldn't demand so much of it if they weren't. They should also be motivated by taking responsibility of their duties themselves. Yes this man's a bit of a boring old fart but there is 70,000 fans out there, of who a lot have probably had to save a bit to come and watch them. They are not on this planet. I don't know how ppl aren't seeing it and acting on it more. Be interesting to see the response to critical banners aimed at the players. And if they can't handle that 'a bit like Wayne Rooney when we booed in South africa', then they need to stop telling us how good they are, when they demand huge wages that they can't perform to. And the media needs to stop telling us too. I couldn't believe jason Cundy last night: 'I can totally understand why they aren't playing for him, I mean he makes them train the day before a game at the exact time of the games ko whether it's afternoon or evening? And? Am I missing something? Where is the issue there? It's a good coaching method. Making your training specific to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 On 2/19/2016 at 00:03, Woodytom said: But when, are we as a collective audience going to say: Nah hang on a minute, let's stop pointing the finger at him and let's pull him to one side instead. Juan, you cost 37m quid, you're a Spanish international. When on earth are you going to start pulling your socks up. We're (as an audience) focusing on the wrong thing and to me it's blindingly obvious so I'm not sure why the media/pundits don't push through with their minimal criticisms of players. I don't get it at all. Why are we not suggesting walking out of stadiums in protest at players dictating? I think Juan Mata has more than enough credit in the bank from his time at Chelsea to suggest when the circumstances and team set up is to his benefit he produces some wonderful football. Schenderlein was excellent at Southampton, indeed this season I don't think his win record has been that bad when he actually plays. The problems are the tactics, too safety first which impacts on the players mentality. I also said start of the season they were too weak in central defence and upfront. Can't believe after chasing Sergio Ramos, they didn't have a back up plan and playing Blind there is fudging the issue. And upfront too much staked on Rooney and youngsters like Martial and Memphis who's been toss. They really needed another experienced frontman as Rooney can't do the things now he was doing at 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) On 19/02/2016 at 09:18, Woodytom said: You're completely missing the point. Of course we all have moments where we are like, Wtf? I had a manager once who came in to the room I was working in for £6.50p/h and said I'm going to swap you all for cheaper eastern Europeans. Whether it was tongue in cheek or not it wasn't motivating and I felt like not trying and walking out the door. But I needed that £6.50p/h, If only to make sure I had a suitable pair of shoes to wear for an interview for a new job. Not everyone is motivated by money of course. Footballers are tho. They wouldn't demand so much of it if they weren't. They should also be motivated by taking responsibility of their duties themselves. Yes this man's a bit of a boring old fart but there is 70,000 fans out there, of who a lot have probably had to save a bit to come and watch them. They are not on this planet. I don't know how ppl aren't seeing it and acting on it more. Be interesting to see the response to critical banners aimed at the players. And if they can't handle that 'a bit like Wayne Rooney when we booed in South africa', then they need to stop telling us how good they are, when they demand huge wages that they can't perform to. And the media needs to stop telling us too. I couldn't believe jason Cundy last night: 'I can totally understand why they aren't playing for him, I mean he makes them train the day before a game at the exact time of the games ko whether it's afternoon or evening? And? Am I missing something? Where is the issue there? It's a good coaching method. Making your training specific to the game. You're misunderstanding how motivation works. This seems to be a theme in your posts where you put the majority of the blame on the players. I'm not saying the players shouldn't shoulder some blame in the case of United and in our own case, and I completely agree that what Cundy is saying in your post is **** nonsense. Nor am I saying that the players shouldn't be criticised. But this theory that you have that they're paid a lot therefore that should motivate them is flawed. Maybe it SHOULD motivate them in an ideal world. But it doesn't. That's not how human beings work. Money only motivates people when they need it, or if they particularly want MORE of it. The £6.50 an hour motivated you because you needed that money. If you didn't work hard you wouldn't have the money and you wouldn't survive without it. A footballer has money. **** loads of it. It doesn't motivate them because they already have it, they don't need it to survive. Once money becomes something you have a lot of, it ceases to be a motivating factor. That's how human psychology works, on the whole. Something only motivates you until you have enough of it. Footballers LIKE money, that's why they demand more of it. But that is nowhere near the same thing as being motivated by it. That's where you are blurring the lines. I could go into detail, but try googling Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Quote 'It is quite true that man lives by bread alone — when there is no bread. But what happens to man’s desires when there is plenty of bread and when his belly is chronically filled? At once other (and “higher") needs emerge and these, rather than physiological hungers, dominate the organism. And when these in turn are satisfied, again new (and still “higher") needs emerge and so on. This is what we mean by saying that the basic human needs are organized into a hierarchy of relative prepotency' (Maslow, 1943, p. 375) Edited February 20, 2016 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Another relevant term to Google, backing up Stevo's point here, is 'diminishing marginal utility'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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