bannedfromHandV Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Helenius isn't good enough. I trust Lambert's judgement. Do not feed the trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazvfc Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Helenius isn't good enough. I trust Lambert's judgement. Is that not an oxymoron? A lot of them sit near me in the upper holte - oh! sorry - My BAD -misread that - thought it said Poxy morons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaninireland Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I have spoke to him at the training ground & he said himself that he wasn't ready for the first team this season & next season was the one he was looking at getting more playing time . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I get the whole waiting for next yr thing, I just think by giving him the number 9 shirt expectations were raised for some fans. I'm a traditionist in that manner in that I prefer seein numbers 1-11 on the pitch and playing in specific positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Jesus! Have you seen Nick's Walter White styled beard? Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_ Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I have spoke to him at the training ground & he said himself that he wasn't ready for the first team this season & next season was the one he was looking at getting more playing time . Still want to see at least a few sub appearances by the end of this season just to get a bit of playing time under his belt. Can't do any more harm than what bringing on Holt did today.... which was absolutely nothing, not even sure if he touched the ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I have spoke to him at the training ground & he said himself that he wasn't ready for the first team this season & next season was the one he was looking at getting more playing time . Still want to see at least a few sub appearances by the end of this season just to get a bit of playing time under his belt. Can't do any more harm than what bringing on Holt did today.... which was absolutely nothing, not even sure if he touched the ball! I agree, i dont understand how Holt can get playtime over helenius, he hasnt scored a goal since August! And that was in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I have spoke to him at the training ground & he said himself that he wasn't ready for the first team this season & next season was the one he was looking at getting more playing time . Still want to see at least a few sub appearances by the end of this season just to get a bit of playing time under his belt. Can't do any more harm than what bringing on Holt did today.... which was absolutely nothing, not even sure if he touched the ball! I agree, i dont understand how Holt can get playtime over helenius, he hasnt scored a goal since August! And that was in the championship. So the player himself has stated he isn't ready, yet you still want him to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) Don't really understand why we bought a player and are paying his wages when he doesn't think he's ready to play (and clearly the manager doesn't). Also,as someone mentioned, gave him the no. 9 shirt. £1.2m (his reported fee) is not a trivial sum for a club in our financial state. Seems like Lerner is continuing to support his managers in burning money, even if giving them less of it to burn. It just reminds me that I still haven't quite grasped how this "project" works. Edited March 26, 2014 by briny_ear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) We can't afford to buy established players so we need to get younger/less experienced players, possibly before there are ready for the PL. Hopefully he is getting better and stronger and will be more involved next year. Edited March 26, 2014 by packoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pembers Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Maybe Lambert was worried he'd have another good season in Denmark and someone else would come in for him or his price would rise. Best get him in on the cheap before other teams want him and develop him here for a season. Although that doesn't explain why he isn't being sent on loan or given some game time here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I can't understand the not loaning him out thing either especially when we signed Holt. He scored agaisnt Sheffield in the cup so suggest he would score goals if we loaned him down to the championship/league 1 unlike our friend Bowery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Don't really understand why we bought a player and are paying his wages when he doesn't think he's ready to play (and clearly the manager doesn't). Also,as someone mentioned, gave him the no. 9 shirt. £1.2m (his reported fee) is not a trivial sum for a club in our financial state. Seems like Lerner is continuing to support his managers in burning money, even if giving them less of it to burn. It just reminds me that I still haven't quite grasped how this "project" works. Is it really that hard to grasp? are clubs no longer allowed to buy for the future? I'd hazard a guess if we brought him next yr for something like the money that Cornelius was brought in for around £9mill and he didn't make an impact, then you'd one of the first to slate the club for bringing in foreign over priced crap. There were two strikers available from that league, cornelius and helenius. It turns out that neither were ready just yet. The difference is we didn't spunk £9mill on our striker. Got him in early to bed down and adjust. Good business for me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I can't understand the not loaning him out thing either especially when we signed Holt. He scored agaisnt Sheffield in the cup so suggest he would score goals if we loaned him down to the championship/league 1 unlike our friend Bowery. I'm pretty sure he turned the chance down in favour of staying and training at Villa. Is it Machs something, his agent? think he mentioned he chose to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I have spoke to him at the training ground & he said himself that he wasn't ready for the first team this season & next season was the one he was looking at getting more playing time . Still want to see at least a few sub appearances by the end of this season just to get a bit of playing time under his belt. Can't do any more harm than what bringing on Holt did today.... which was absolutely nothing, not even sure if he touched the ball! I agree, i dont understand how Holt can get playtime over helenius, he hasnt scored a goal since August! And that was in the championship. So the player himself has stated he isn't ready, yet you still want him to play? Yep, he did better than Holt the few times he played. And its not like Holt starta every game, he comes on for 20 mins now and again, would be a good way to help helenius get comfortably in the league no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Don't really understand why we bought a player and are paying his wages when he doesn't think he's ready to play (and clearly the manager doesn't). Also,as someone mentioned, gave him the no. 9 shirt. £1.2m (his reported fee) is not a trivial sum for a club in our financial state. Seems like Lerner is continuing to support his managers in burning money, even if giving them less of it to burn. It just reminds me that I still haven't quite grasped how this "project" works. Is it really that hard to grasp? are clubs no longer allowed to buy for the future? I'd hazard a guess if we brought him next yr for something like the money that Cornelius was brought in for around £9mill and he didn't make an impact, then you'd one of the first to slate the club for bringing in foreign over priced crap. There were two strikers available from that league, cornelius and helenius. It turns out that neither were ready just yet. The difference is we didn't spunk £9mill on our striker. Got him in early to bed down and adjust. Good business for me.Well, like I say, this "project" is beyond me. I can't understand why a player who comes to a premier league club isn't constantly banging on the manager's door to get game time - this is after all his big chance - and I don't see how what he's doing now (training with the squad) is preparing him for a future premier league career. If we're effectively treating him like an Academy player then getting match experience seems crucial and if he's not good enough to get it with our first team, he should go out on loan. Still, I'll take your reassurance that it's good business and wait to see how the club benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I will say it again, after the sheffield game Lambert said to the press that Helenius would get to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSmith22 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Don't really understand why we bought a player and are paying his wages when he doesn't think he's ready to play (and clearly the manager doesn't). Also,as someone mentioned, gave him the no. 9 shirt. £1.2m (his reported fee) is not a trivial sum for a club in our financial state. Seems like Lerner is continuing to support his managers in burning money, even if giving them less of it to burn. It just reminds me that I still haven't quite grasped how this "project" works. Is it really that hard to grasp? are clubs no longer allowed to buy for the future? I'd hazard a guess if we brought him next yr for something like the money that Cornelius was brought in for around £9mill and he didn't make an impact, then you'd one of the first to slate the club for bringing in foreign over priced crap. There were two strikers available from that league, cornelius and helenius. It turns out that neither were ready just yet. The difference is we didn't spunk £9mill on our striker. Got him in early to bed down and adjust. Good business for me.Well, like I say, this "project" is beyond me. I can't understand why a player who comes to a premier league club isn't constantly banging on the manager's door to get game time - this is after all his big chance - and I don't see how what he's doing now (training with the squad) is preparing him for a future premier league career. If we're effectively treating him like an Academy player then getting match experience seems crucial and if he's not good enough to get it with our first team, he should go out on loan. Still, I'll take your reassurance that it's good business and wait to see how the club benefits. It's really not that hard to understand. He turned down loan opportunities to train with the first team. Seems like a good idea to me, get acclimated. Previous posters have given you the example of Cornelius and how that turned out for Cardiff. For 1.2 I think it's a great bit of business and the fact that he's scored when given the opportunities has been the cherry on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Briny, we'll get back to you on this one in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 IF we reach 'safety' ie, the 40 points over the next 3 matches - I'd hope we'll give some of the fringe players a chance in matches, Helenius, Tonev and Gardner amongst them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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