Chop chop! Lets all gawp at Newcastle (again)

[Tomaszk]

Could be trouble ahead.

Can't let them play in case it spreads to other sides.

If Brom has to be cancelled they're again setting dangerous precedent for the rest of the season. What happens if some teams get it over Xmas and are made to play? 

Two losses and two 3-0 wins for AV and WBA is where this should go.

[villa4europe]

i think the shit thing is that both clubs would have targeted newcastle as being the start of a good xmas period, we should have got something from our game vs them which then gives us the platform to go off and play wolves, baggies and palace, baggies could have put points on the board before playing man city and us but instead could find themselves cut adrift from fulham and burnley next time they play (doubt it)

its shit, if we go on to have a rough december i will blame our game vs them being cancelled, it could have ended our bad run of form

[fightoffyour]

47 minutes ago, Tomaszk said:

Could be trouble ahead.

Can't let them play in case it spreads to other sides.

If Brom has to be cancelled they're again setting dangerous precedent for the rest of the season. What happens if some teams get it over Xmas and are made to play? 

Two losses and two 3-0 wins for AV and WBA is where this should go.

Too late to do that for our game, can't just retrospectively forfeit it when a postponement was agreed otherwise Newcastle could just say they would've fielded a youth team.

And you can't (fairly) forfeit the West Brom game because then it's one rule for us and one for them. Nor can you can do that with other games in the future that are affected by Covd outbreaks. Which is exactly one of the reasons why some of us were unhappy that our match was postponed - because the precedent that's been set is almost inevitably going to lead to double standards being applied and/or the season not finishing on time (or requiring 3 games a week to do so - and then what if there's an outbreak before the last match a week before the Euros?).

[StefanAVFC]

Just now, fightoffyour said:

Too late to do that for our game, can't just retrospectively forfeit it when a postponement was agreed otherwise Newcastle could just say they would've fielded a youth team.

And you can't (fairly) forfeit the West Brom game because then it's one rule for us and one for them. Nor can you can do that with other games in the future that are affected by Covd outbreaks. Which is exactly one of the reasons why some of us were unhappy that our match was postponed - because the precedent that's been set is almost inevitably going to lead to double standards being applied and/or the season not finishing on time (or requiring 3 games a week to do so - and then what if there's an outbreak before the last match a week before the Euros?).

The PL have properly painted themselves into a corner here. Don't see a way out.

[Tomaszk]

2 minutes ago, fightoffyour said:

Too late to do that for our game, can't just retrospectively forfeit it when a postponement was agreed otherwise Newcastle could just say they would've fielded a youth team.

And you can't (fairly) forfeit the West Brom game because then it's one rule for us and one for them. Nor can you can do that with other games in the future that are affected by Covd outbreaks. Which is exactly one of the reasons why some of us were unhappy that our match was postponed - because the precedent that's been set is almost inevitably going to lead to double standards being applied and/or the season not finishing on time (or requiring 3 games a week to do so - and then what if there's an outbreak before the last match a week before the Euros?).

Wasn't the line you had to play if you had 14 contracted players fit? Newcastle perhaps didn't have that, even with youth.

I think the only way out of this for the PL is two losses for Newcastle. Or some real funny business is ahead.

[VillaChris]

Midweek prem round next week so Newcastle could be potentially looking at having another 3 games off.

Surely by now though some of those players are coming towards end of their two week isolation period so think prem might give them this weekend off and then tell them they have to put a team out for the next game whatever the options otherwise fixture backlog becomes too much.

Ironically West Brom is probably one opponent who won't be impacted much as they've already had loads of their first team squad out with covid this season. Calum Robinson had a tricky dose of it two months back.

[StefanAVFC]

2 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

Surely by now though some of those players are coming towards end of their two week isolation period so think prem might give them this weekend off and then tell them they have to put a team out for the next game whatever the options otherwise fixture backlog becomes too much.

But how is that fair on us and the Baggies? Especially if they still need to field a weakened team..

[fightoffyour]

18 minutes ago, Tomaszk said:

Wasn't the line you had to play if you had 14 contracted players fit? Newcastle perhaps didn't have that, even with youth.

I think the only way out of this for the PL is two losses for Newcastle. Or some real funny business is ahead.

That was the line yes, but we don't know the exact situation because there's no transparency - which is another part of the problem.

"Well into double figures" sounds like 15 tops, players and staff. They have a 25 man squad not including youth so it seems unlikely they wouldn't be able to name 14.

[VillaChris]

7 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

But how is that fair on us and the Baggies? Especially if they still need to field a weakened team..

Depends how weakened it is. They just miss 2-3 key players and it's like us playing Liverpool without them having Alisson, Mane or Henderson starting. Or playing Leicester without Vardy.

It does become mad if Newcastle have to throw loads of under 20s in but they've got a senior squad of nearly 25 so can't believe it would be that bad if you give it another 4-5 days.

They had Lascelles, Kraft and Andy Carroll all isolating before Palace game apparently and two weeks will have passed on Friday so those three should be fine for games next week.

[Genie]

They need to be classed as injuries to a point I.e. tough shit. 

[villa4europe]

38 minutes ago, Genie said:

They need to be classed as injuries to a point I.e. tough shit. 

agree

especially if it can be proved that they've caught it at Newcastle's facilities, which based on the numbers it looks almost certain

i take it from this that the PLs "safest place to work" daily testing, disinfecting balls and stuff has all been knocked on the head and they dont give a shit anymore

at the very least they should be hit with the penalty of needing to return to the safety measures that were in place in april, at their own cost

[mikeyjavfc]

My issue is that even if the Baggies game is postponed as well, the first team Newcastle do play again will come up against a half fit and depleted team with a couple of days training, and will very likely get an easy game. We on the other hand by accepting the postponement will come up later in the season against a full strength team and with the pleasure of a mid week fixture slot in a packed schedule. Hardly fair.

[John]

From today's Times: 

Newcastle United have confirmed that their first-team squad will return to training today, after an outbreak of Covid-19, and believe Saturday’s game against West Bromwich Albion will go ahead. Concerns had risen yesterday morning that Newcastle could face a second successive postponement of a Premier League fixture because of Covid-19 cases after the day’s planned return to training was cancelled at short notice. Instead, the first-team players underwent another round of tests while the Benton training ground remained closed.

It is thought that at least seven members of the squad tested positive at various stages in the past two weeks. However, Pubic Health England has declared that the facility will be reopened for the first time since the players flew off to Crystal Palace on November 26. The club announced that the squad would recommence training on their Twitter account this morning. “Newcastle United’s players will train at the training centre today following a temporary closure last week due to a rise in Covid-19 cases,” the tweets read. “Those who had tested positive will follow relevant protocols before returning. Thanks for your messages of support to our players & staff.”

It is thought that Newcastle may use the option of returning to training in smaller groups, as they did after lockdown. They asked the Premier League to postpone last week’s fixture at Aston Villa, the first top-flight match to be put back to a later date, because of a sharp rise in the number of positive tests.

Newcastle’s players have not trained together in the North East since before their trip to Palace. All first-team players have been given individual training programmes to keep up their fitness but key to their request to the Premier League before the Aston Villa game was that they could not prepare properly for the match. The players unaffected by Covid-19 have not self-isolated during the closure of the training ground, but those who have tested positive have followed the correct protocols.

 

I have to say that If only 7 players tested positive within 14-days, they could have fielded a team from their squad against us. Their unaffected players had not even been self-isolating. Did it really come down to them not being able to prepare for the game as they would have wanted to do and having had difficulty with making their usual travel/hotel arrangements?  

Edited December 8, 2020 by John

[fightoffyour]

1 hour ago, John said:

I have to say that If only 7 players tested positive within 14-days, they could have fielded a team from their squad against us. Their unaffected players had not even been self-isolating. Did it really come down to them not being able to prepare for the game as they would have wanted to do and having had difficulty with making their usual travel/hotel arrangements?  

Yes. Although not preparing in the way Bruce would have wanted (i.e. pulling wor socks up) would be advantageous for them I'd imagine. Maybe it's a good job it was postponed and we didn't have to face Geordies unchained.

[Demitri_C]

16 hours ago, John said:

From today's Times: 

Newcastle United have confirmed that their first-team squad will return to training today, after an outbreak of Covid-19, and believe Saturday’s game against West Bromwich Albion will go ahead. Concerns had risen yesterday morning that Newcastle could face a second successive postponement of a Premier League fixture because of Covid-19 cases after the day’s planned return to training was cancelled at short notice. Instead, the first-team players underwent another round of tests while the Benton training ground remained closed.

It is thought that at least seven members of the squad tested positive at various stages in the past two weeks. However, Pubic Health England has declared that the facility will be reopened for the first time since the players flew off to Crystal Palace on November 26. The club announced that the squad would recommence training on their Twitter account this morning. “Newcastle United’s players will train at the training centre today following a temporary closure last week due to a rise in Covid-19 cases,” the tweets read. “Those who had tested positive will follow relevant protocols before returning. Thanks for your messages of support to our players & staff.”

It is thought that Newcastle may use the option of returning to training in smaller groups, as they did after lockdown. They asked the Premier League to postpone last week’s fixture at Aston Villa, the first top-flight match to be put back to a later date, because of a sharp rise in the number of positive tests.

Newcastle’s players have not trained together in the North East since before their trip to Palace. All first-team players have been given individual training programmes to keep up their fitness but key to their request to the Premier League before the Aston Villa game was that they could not prepare properly for the match. The players unaffected by Covid-19 have not self-isolated during the closure of the training ground, but those who have tested positive have followed the correct protocols.

 

I have to say that If only 7 players tested positive within 14-days, they could have fielded a team from their squad against us. Their unaffected players had not even been self-isolating. Did it really come down to them not being able to prepare for the game as they would have wanted to do and having had difficulty with making their usual travel/hotel arrangements?  

Do we really want to risk a out break on our staff amd players though? As frustrating as it is. It was right decision

[Zatman]

15 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Do we really want to risk a out break on our staff amd players though? As frustrating as it is. It was right decision

I agree though Newcastle might need to be punished if they didnt follow the right protocols

[LondonLax]

17 hours ago, John said:

I have to say that If only 7 players tested positive within 14-days, they could have fielded a team from their squad against us. Their unaffected players had not even been self-isolating. Did it really come down to them not being able to prepare for the game as they would have wanted to do and having had difficulty with making their usual travel/hotel arrangements?  

Given that a person can be infected but still be too early to show up in a test I wouldn't want our team playing against them until we know their squad outbreak is under control.

[Dave-R]

Why are all of a sudden Newcastle are playing Leeds tonight so soon after the covid scare against us and the match was postponed.

Have they had any returning players between our game that was cancelled and them playing Leeds tonight, it's starting to smell of BullCrap there cancellation with us.

Edited December 16, 2020 by Dave-R

[Zatman]

6 minutes ago, Dave-R said:

Why are all of a sudden Newcastle are playing Leeds tonight so soon after the covid scare against us and the match was postponed.

Have they had any returning players between our game that was cancelled and them playing Leeds tonight, it's starting to smell of BullCrap there cancellation with us.

They played last weekend as well

[Dave-R]

28 minutes ago, Zatman said:

They played last weekend as well

There is no way in hell that this is right. They had at least five players covid positive, how do players get cured that quickly from it when anyone else who gets it is told to isolate for 14 days??

Then there is the fact that to get a cancelled match dont your first team have to be down to 14 players or under for a game to be cancelled?? Pretty sure they had more than that number still available.

If you say they played last week as well then what's going on, so basically they skipped full isolation to play football.

I think there is a full list of covid positive players who caught it when our game should of been played in this newcastle thread https://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/41286-covid-club/?tab=comments#comment-1626795 Here's the list of four do not know the fifth or if there was more than five (Hayden, Krafth, Lascelles and Carroll  ).Now I am very curious if those players played last week but even still a covid scare on the scale they had it the club should really had to of postponed that game surely as well as tonight V Leeds.

This thread https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/01/newcastle-match-at-aston-villa-postponed-after-coronavirus-outbreak says that upto ten players and backroom staff were affected, that is serious and they should not of been allowed to return so soon.

So really Newactle were due to play us on the 4th december correct?? They then postponed that and should of isolated for at least two weeks which should be the 18th of december?? They then come back on the 12th of December to play WestBrom, which is before the 18th that they can come out of isolation. Yet they are playing Leeds tonight 16th of december, is it me or is there something clearly not right with all that??

After doing more research and looking into the 12th December west Brom game,  I find that out of those four players listed above that contacted covid, two played against west brom, they are Hayden and Krafth. Now they were in Breach of isolation rules and so were the club. On the 16th of december game with Leeds they had three of those positive covid players playing who are Hayden and Krafth and Carroll who both are on subs bench.

So many questions I'm afraid..

 

Edited December 16, 2020 by Dave-R