Keyblade Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, Stevo985 said: You seem to have taken my comments as some sort of comparison between Bruce and Smith, with Bruce winning. I'll clarify that in no way do I rate Bruce at Villa higher than Smith at Villa. I'm thrilled we got rid of Bruce and got Smith. Again, the only "defence" of Bruce seems to be people, including myself, saying he wasn't absolutely shit which if you readmost of this and the Steve Bruce thread, is the impression you'd get He's a very very average manager who did a very very average job at Villa. Oh okay, I misunderstood. And I agree with that. That's actually literally the only point I make about him. He was very average for us when we needed more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Newcastle are crap. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: Oh okay, I misunderstood. And I agree with that. That's actually literally the only point I make about him. He was very average for us when we needed more than that. We’ve always needed more than that, he’s one in a string of Managers who ultimately failed to deliver. Which is why we’ve gone through Managers like I go through a bag of Munchies. And hence why I (and others) struggle to comprehend the level of obsession with painting him out to be anything worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: And hence why I (and others) struggle to comprehend the level of obsession with painting him out to be anything worse. Obviously some people can’t give much credit but I really don’t think what you’re suggesting is the case generally at all. I think he was OK overall for us, failed towards the end (as he isn’t a squad builder) but did a really good job sorting out attitude when he first came in. I think he’s a knob though and admit I take pleasure from him failing and the shit he comes out with. Add to that I love Newcastle failing. If I write something lighthearted on here enjoying the shite he spouts it will be about 10 minutes before I get accused of giving him no credit at all and being ‘obsessed’. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: We’ve always needed more than that, he’s one in a string of Managers who ultimately failed to deliver. Which is why we’ve gone through Managers like I go through a bag of Munchies. And hence why I (and others) struggle to comprehend the level of obsession with painting him out to be anything worse. I think it's because he's just easy to dislike because of his smugness (especially during a time where his grip on even average is becoming increasingly tenuous as the game advances), as well as his frequent spats with his dissenters, so he gets more shit than a say Paul Lambert who he's comfortably a better manager than. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) What ^he^ said. Edited February 6, 2020 by Sam-AVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Newcastle are crap. Then what are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 29 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Then what are we? a newly promoted team that dominated them with ease 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Guaranteed 1-0 defeat at their place though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Guaranteed 1-0 defeat at their place though. Our record at st.james is awful, last memory of winning there was when bowyer and dier had that fight 16 years ago now Also remember carew skying that pen at 0-0 when carrol scored a hatrick and lost 6-0, cisse and Remy scoring last minute winners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 17 hours ago, Keyblade said: I disagree, in the modern game I think it's most of the good ones. The ones that don't, who aren't part of the old boys club like Mark Hughes and co have slowly been phased out. In the PL. I'd say the majority of PL teams, even most of the teams at the bottom like Brighton, Burnley, Norwich and even us have a character style. I wouldn't say Potter, Farke, Dyche and Smith are particularly elite managers. That's not to mention Wilders, Nuno she Rodgers who have their take punching above their weight due to their coaching styles. I think the emphasis on man management, which Bruce was admittedly very good at has become outdated now. For example, in the 2000's Moyes was an excellent motivator and man manager who saw plenty of success with Everton, and now he's a dinosaur, just another in the PL old boy merry-go-round. I think Bruce is in the same boat. He's by no means one of the worst though, as evidenced by the good job he's doing at Newcastle. There are 92 football league Managers right now, how many of those fall into the 'good ones' category? That's not even considering the plethora of Managers abroad...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: There are 92 football league Managers right now, how many of those fall into the 'good ones' category? That's not even considering the plethora of Managers abroad...... Like I said, most of the ones who are in the top division. The cream always rises etc. Also there are more and more such managers in the Championship now, which is why I think Bruce lost his magic touch there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 15 hours ago, villalad21 said: Then what are we? Took you 5 posts. You are slipping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Like I said, most of the ones who are in the top division. The cream always rises etc. Also there are more and more such managers in the Championship now, which is why I think Bruce lost his magic touch there. So the 'elite' managers you mean then? Just wondering how that translates to us in the Championship.........did you expect us to have an elite Manager in a non-elite division? Not saying it can't or doesn't happen but surely you'd accept that elite managers outside of elite clubs/divisions are in a serious minority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 35 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: So the 'elite' managers you mean then? Just wondering how that translates to us in the Championship.........did you expect us to have an elite Manager in a non-elite division? Not saying it can't or doesn't happen but surely you'd accept that elite managers outside of elite clubs/divisions are in a serious minority? Don't think Smith, Farke and Wilder were elite managers last season. Nor are Dyche and Potter. You don't have to be elite to have your own style of football, or even be very good to be honest. But, most of the good managers do. And the trend in recent seasons is that teams with a clear identity, whether it be Warnock's kick and rush style, or Farke's passing style, tend to get promoted. In the 3 years we've been in the Championship I'd say Brighton were the only team got promoted that didn't have one. And possibly Newcastle, who were just brute forcing their way through the league with superior players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Back to Newcastle.... That fan has already received a lifetime ban* and now the police announced they're investigating Imagine ending up on the sex offenders list and banned from football cos you got your cock out to celebrate beating a league 1 team Absolute madness 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Back to Newcastle.... That fan has already received a lifetime ban* and now the police announced they're investigating Imagine ending up on the sex offenders list and banned from football cos you got your cock out to celebrate beating a league 1 team Absolute madness I must have missed this story. What were the circumstances of him getting his knob out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I must have missed this story. What were the circumstances of him getting his knob out? They scored an extra time winner in the cup replay away in the 116th minute (after blowing a 2-0 lead) ASM runs over to the fans to celebrate guy runs down some of the steps whips his cock out and starts windmilling (as you do) Somewhere between him and Newcastle blowing a 2-0 lead in a replay with a league 1 team there is plenty to talk about without rehashing the Bruce vs Smith stuff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 Jack made a great point on Twitter, that guy gets a lifetime ban, but the guy who racially abused Tammy this season got a 4 year one yesterday. I guess wangs are more offensive than the N word or whatever it was the guy said. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 How long did they cretin who ran in and punched Grealish in the back of the head get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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