Popular Post a m ole Posted April 24, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2016 And he has been rightly punished for the unacceptable behaviour. However, I think it's a little more nuanced than simply refusing to do his job, what he really wanted to do was play and help out after seeing the defence in disarray. It's not as though he's kicking up a fuss despite the current defence performing, or like he just can't be arsed to turn up. A line should be drawn and he should be in our plans for next season, we can't get rid of all of them and he is, for what is is worth, still probably the best centre half we currently own. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted April 24, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2016 Why did it have to be him refusing to show up to work? If it had been Sinclair, nobody would even have noticed. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 43 minutes ago, blandy said: Including him refusing to do his job? He's got a point, and I think he's a better choice for the team than Lescott or Richards too, but to refuse to do his job makes him very much part of the problem. It is unacceptable behaviour. In simple black and white terms, you are absolutely right. It is unacceptable and it's worthy of disciplinary action - in one form or another. There's some shading though for me. Refusing to suit up is refusing to suit up, but he's refusing for the 'right' reason IMO. It's not like he won't play because he wants out or doesn't like the tactics. He wouldn't sit on the bench becuase he felt exasperated that players who are clearly and woefully underperforming are being picked ahead of him. A lesser evil. He's taken a stand. Many are saying he should have 'knuckled down', but he already had to be fair. Black even said himself he'd been impressed with him in training that week. It seems that Black was and is going to persist with picking the players that have not only been the most rotten of a bad bunch, but also the ones fans clearly don't want in the side. It's truly bizarre and it makes me wonder what his agenda is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted April 24, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2016 Like I said before, I don't care who you are, refusing to play is indefensible. If we had Ronaldo on the bench because Black preferred Sinclair in front of him, as annoying as that would be, it still wouldn't justify Ronaldo refusing to play. You just can't defend that, even if you agree with where it's coming from. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 16 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: If we had Ronaldo on the bench because Black preferred Sinclair in front of him, as annoying as that would be, it still wouldn't justify Ronaldo refusing to play. I think it bloody would...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted April 24, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2016 No, it wouldn't. It would justify him being unhappy, and it would justify us being angry about it. But it wouldn't justify the player refusing to play. The fact Okore has the audacity to do it is just ridiculous. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Remember a similar scenario with Mon & NRC different personalities, but similar problem. NRC never refused to play despite his frustrations, of being left out. The manager must reserve the right to the ultimate call.....whether he is right or wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Like I said before, I don't care who you are, refusing to play is indefensible. This. And now Sir, i refuse to give you my support. Another to the long list of players that need to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuleAthon Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 The article from Denmark sums it up. He's been shat on by the moron in caretaker charge, spoken up, been told off and it's all escalated. It's the boss telling the employee off because the employee can see something he can fix but the boss won't let him, whether for the sake of his own ego or under some mystical instruction from his own boss. Another day, another shambles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Jores Okore @JoresOkore 5s6 seconds ago I refuse to play?, I was on the bench against Chelsea and the games before, why didn't I refuse to play those games? Well one of them is telling porkies! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Jores Okore @JoresOkore 44s44 seconds ago There must be more to it then MR. Eric Black is telling you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Richard Posted April 24, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2016 Like I said I back jores on this 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I think the club want us to turn on him so they have an excuse not to offer a contract. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuleAthon Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I think the club want us to turn on him so they have an excuse not to offer a contract. This is exactly what I mentioned a few pages ago. We have been conditioned to hate the players because, in fairness, we probably should hate quite a number of them. Jores doesn't seem to be one of them. Too early for a #teamokore [emoji6]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 How much more of a mess can we actually become? The shambolic state of every single area is just amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, DCJonah said: How much more of a mess can we actually become? The shambolic state of every single area is just amazing. That's why I truly believe we will struggle next season. There is just too much to change. It's not about players or manager as I get the I,press ion some people believe changing the players and getting a new manager and it will be ok. The culture at the club, the way we do things needs a complete and total change. I'm afraid it's just too much to change in 3 months. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonperry_uk Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 If he strongly feels that he has been misunderstood/misquoted, Okore should be given the chance to make an official reply via the same method/medium that Eric Black used to make the original statement. If he is fit, there is no way that Okore should be benched in favour of Richards or Lescott - it seems as though there might be something more personal behind all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pilchard Posted April 24, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2016 Gosh it's tiring supporting us at the moment 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuleAthon Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Gosh it's tiring supporting us at the moment Never a truer word typed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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