AshVilla Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) I'd rather have a half fit Okore missing a year of football than a fully fit Ciaran Clark He played 120 mins during the international break so i don't get the theory that he is "half fit" plus i've seen plenty of footage of him Delph and Bent doing extra training at that Velocity Gym on twitter as well Edited September 23, 2014 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Okore is probably physically fit but not up to speed with the game. Saying that he can't be any worse than Clark so hopefully he will be back soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 There's a lot more to top level football than being physically fit and having talent. That said, I also do not believe he can be near as bad as Clark is right now. Though after watching Baker step up last week maybe they thought it was Clark's last big shot. Hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I'd rather have a half fit Okore missing a year of football than a fully fit Ciaran Clark He played 120 mins during the international break so i don't get the theory that he is "half fit" plus i've seen plenty of footage of him Delph and Bent doing extra training at that Velocity Gym on twitter as well Maybe he really isn't up to speed yet. He looked very ropey against Parma, and there were people reporting on here that he played poorly during the internationals. Being fit enough is only half the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sorry but if Clark is being picked over him on the basis of him being left footed then that is insane. He's a professional, he can play either side and it won't make that much difference. Not enough to decide to put Clark in who hadn't made an appearance all season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sorry but if Clark is being picked over him on the basis of him being left footed then that is insane. He's a professional, he can play either side and it won't make that much difference. Not enough to decide to put Clark in who hadn't made an appearance all season. It's insane not to have balance at CB, it's the most crucial area of the pitch to have balance. Unless you have played their before, it would be suicidal for us to play Okore there. Being professional has nothing to do with it, its about getting the best balance of your side and keeping minimal change in the back line. Bringing in Okore would have seen him being RCB and Senderos being LCB, effectively making two changes to your back line, whereas bringing Clark in keeps it at one change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sorry but if Clark is being picked over him on the basis of him being left footed then that is insane. He's a professional, he can play either side and it won't make that much difference. Not enough to decide to put Clark in who hadn't made an appearance all season. It's insane not to have balance at CB, it's the most crucial area of the pitch to have balance. Unless you have played their before, it would be suicidal for us to play Okore there. Being professional has nothing to do with it, its about getting the best balance of your side and keeping minimal change in the back line. Bringing in Okore would have seen him being RCB and Senderos being LCB, effectively making two changes to your back line, whereas bringing Clark in keeps it at one change. I disagree, good cb pairings can both be prominent in the same foot, (Adams bould, vidic Ferdinand). What matters more is reading of the game. I would hope that the reason okore didn't play is that Clark was seen as more experienced (and probably more match fit) and therefore it was felt he was a better option against a top side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yeah their kicking foot is is not as important as their ability to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) I'd rather have a half fit Okore missing a year of football than a fully fit Ciaran Clark He played 120 mins during the international break so i don't get the theory that he is "half fit" plus i've seen plenty of footage of him Delph and Bent doing extra training at that Velocity Gym on twitter as well He only played for 33 minutes during the international break. He came on as a second-half substitute against Armenia. No mention of him in the friendly against Turkey. Edited September 24, 2014 by The_Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 He played 90 minutes for the U21's against Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sorry but if Clark is being picked over him on the basis of him being left footed then that is insane. He's a professional, he can play either side and it won't make that much difference. Not enough to decide to put Clark in who hadn't made an appearance all season. It's insane not to have balance at CB, it's the most crucial area of the pitch to have balance. Unless you have played their before, it would be suicidal for us to play Okore there. Being professional has nothing to do with it, its about getting the best balance of your side and keeping minimal change in the back line. Bringing in Okore would have seen him being RCB and Senderos being LCB, effectively making two changes to your back line, whereas bringing Clark in keeps it at one change. I disagree, good cb pairings can both be prominent in the same foot, (Adams bould, vidic Ferdinand). What matters more is reading of the game. I would hope that the reason okore didn't play is that Clark was seen as more experienced (and probably more match fit) and therefore it was felt he was a better option against a top side. You're talking about top top players who came in to top, top sides. You just can't compare that to coming in next to Sederboss for a depleted Aston Villa against Arsenal. He did say "unless you have played there before" too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 He played 90 minutes for the U21's against Russia Ah, thanks for pointing that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sorry but if Clark is being picked over him on the basis of him being left footed then that is insane. He's a professional, he can play either side and it won't make that much difference. Not enough to decide to put Clark in who hadn't made an appearance all season.It's insane not to have balance at CB, it's the most crucial area of the pitch to have balance. Unless you have played their before, it would be suicidal for us to play Okore there. Being professional has nothing to do with it, its about getting the best balance of your side and keeping minimal change in the back line. Bringing in Okore would have seen him being RCB and Senderos being LCB, effectively making two changes to your back line, whereas bringing Clark in keeps it at one change.I disagree, good cb pairings can both be prominent in the same foot, (Adams bould, vidic Ferdinand). What matters more is reading of the game. I would hope that the reason okore didn't play is that Clark was seen as more experienced (and probably more match fit) and therefore it was felt he was a better option against a top side. You're talking about top top players who came in to top, top sides. You just can't compare that to coming in next to Sederboss for a depleted Aston Villa against Arsenal. He did say "unless you have played there before" too. No I agree they are a completely different calibre of player. But the foot a defender uses shouldn't make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 25, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2014 I think it makes very little difference for a centre back which side they play. Maybe if two players were exactly the same ability then you'd choose a left footer over a right footer for that reason. But you wouldn't put a less good defender in just because he's left footed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I think it makes very little difference for a centre back which side they play. Maybe if two players were exactly the same ability then you'd choose a left footer over a right footer for that reason. But you wouldn't put a less good defender in just because he's left footed. Totally agree. IMO this is nothing to do with feet or fitness and more to do with confidence of the player after returning from a long term injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 25, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2014 No I think it's still to do with fitness. Just because he played for Denmark doesn't mean Lambert thinks he's ready. There's absolutely no point in throwing him back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 An African gentleman approached me at Five Ways yesterday and said "hey man whos this?" - he proceeded to show me a contact on his mobile phone titled 'Jores Okore', so I said "that's Jores Okore". My new friend shouted "wahey!!" and gave me a high five, then we both went our seperate ways. This can only be a good sign as far as I'm concerned, and so I look forward to seeing Mr Okore back in action soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 dont understand this left sided defence debate, happened when Dunne was here as well that people thought he was only playing ahead of Cuellar because he played on left side. Vlaar is right footed and has played on the left side no issues. think its only an issue if you play a 3 man central defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 26, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2014 I'm right footed and play left CB, so I must be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 No I think it's still to do with fitness. Just because he played for Denmark doesn't mean Lambert thinks he's ready. There's absolutely no point in throwing him back in. Yep, big difference between U21 and the PL. Would hate to see Jores' rushed back and reinjured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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