lapal_fan Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 With regards to the coal thing. I'm too young born in 1987, but isn't using all our coal quite short sighted? Let everyone else use theirs first, then we can start exporting again for huge profits and make loads of monies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Wonder what Big John thinks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 She was what the UK needed in 1979, a focused individual who recognised the evil of the socialist ideology that had held the country to ransom via the unions throughout the previous decade. She faced it down and destroyed it, thus saving the country. The old socialists will never forgive her for that, but so what? So basically destroying lives was OK was it? - Shows a lot of the people that supported her then and now, finding it acceptable. Reforming of the issues of that particular society at that time could have, and should have been done with more consideration to the impacts on human lives. But of course that would have been at the expense of profits and that was the driving force behind her and her supporters then (and now). Bugger to society and balls to those who get hurt along the way. Had she not defeated the Unions then Britain would have ended up as a third world economic basket case, but instead she battled and defeated them and in so doing turned the country's declining prospects around. Is it good that some people lost out as a result? No of course not, however had the Unions not fought to maintain their stranglehold on the UK economy there would have been no battle in the first place. You see AWOl that is where your argument fails for me. it's basically one aim that of "crushing the unions". Now to do that you are basically that workers should not have rights? Why do the unions need "defeating" as such, unless again you are against any worker representation. Funny how you were one of the biggest and loudest to shout about civil liberties but that is obviously only applicable to those with money or in power? The vindictive way she set about defeating this "enemy" as you no doubt see it, shows a lot for what motivated her, and still survives within her supporters. What about the recently released papers about what they proposed to do with Liverpool - let it rot - because the people of there chose to stand up to her? Is that the actions of a fair minded woman? Also interesting your recent posts about the finance sector etc. Now who exactly started the UK on the whole finance led economy? Who presided over the "big bang" for stock markets, who encouraged the housing boom, much of which even you have said has caused so many of the finance problems? The UK needed changing then, it needs changing now, it's how you do it that matters. Thatcher did it with a spiteful vindictive streak with little regard for whatever stood in her way or what lives it affected. Some of the comments re her today show that the selfish attitudes of what she imposed is alive and kicking today within the Tory party (and UKIP). Bollox to the people we hurt along the way, just as long as we can impose the laws and ways that favour those wanting and who have money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I could never think about mourning Thatchers Passing. Thats not an option. I made up my mind during my childhood and listening to my parents. The atmosphere the stories created was not brilliant and I've just got the feeling that I don't like Margaret Thatcher at all. You are Olof Mellberg, and I claim my £5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I'd like to hear from Dennis Skinner MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I'd like to hear from Dennis Skinner MP He will be probably in one of the many pubs in Bolsover tonight - I hear there are festivities planned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I'd like to hear from Dennis Skinner MP Don't we hear from that windbag enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Her political career and influence died a long time ago, she died an old fragile woman I don't see why people would celebrate that. Would make more sense if she died if she was still in position with power and influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I'd like to hear from Dennis Skinner MP Don't we hear from that windbag enough? Funny he is probably one of the few current political figures that the people like - whatever you think of his politics he does care about the people he represents. You may call him a windbag, but a lot from both sides supporter base would love to have a MP like him representing and being concerned for them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Her political career and influence died a long time ago, she died an old fragile woman I don't see why people would celebrate that. Would make more sense if she died if she was still in position with power and influence. Her influence did not die today though. The ideals that she introduced, a lot of them based on greed crushing of objectors, are very much alive and well and being implemented by this Gvmt etc. She was fragile at the end, ironically she snuffed it in the Ritz. I wonder how many of the many millions of people who's lives she ruined will be able to spend their last few days in such luxury and privilege? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Her political career and influence died a long time ago, she died an old fragile woman I don't see why people would celebrate that. Would make more sense if she died if she was still in position with power and influence. her legacy lives on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Wonder what Big John thinks? Not sure Seems a lot of mixed views so i can't go against the grain just to be negative. Difficult situation for me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) ironically she snuffed it in the Ritz. I wonder how many of the many millions of people who's lives she ruined will be able to spend their last few days in such luxury and privilege? if Brown hadn't robed their pensions , then probably quite a few more Edited April 8, 2013 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I've not really got a strong opinion one way or the other. Nah, only joking. Massively contributed to closing down manufacturing Britain to replace it with financial services Britain - what could possibly go wrong with that idea? Stuck rigidly to the poll tax - what could possibly be wrong with that. A true friend to General Pinochet - no problem with that surely? Everyone likes to help the odd fascist murderer when they can. 'No such thing as society' - might not be a direct and accurate quote, but just like 'we are all in it together' it kind of sums up the whole ethos. In her 10 years, for the first time in a hundred years, the poor got poorer. That was the basis of Thatcherism. But more than any of that tit for tat political table tennis, I know from my own personal experience that she disliked me and my town and chose deliberately and specifically to try and close us down. She destroyed the community I lived in. That community was both the physical fabric, the infrastructure and the people. I saw men that had old fashioned 'labour intensive' dirty hard jobs put out of work. They were then over time persuaded and massaged onto disability benefits because with unemployment over 3 million that was considered to not look good. So those guys that had previously worked for their families were made redundant. They were then put onto disability. Then, somehow after it became tiresome to pay them their benefits, they became skiving scum. She turned hard working dockers into skiving scum and persuaded middle England it was the fault of the skiving scum themselves. She, and her henchman Scargill created decades of misery we are still paying for. We can debate policies all evening, my personal experience is that I saw the innocent suffer because of her deliberate hate filled plan. (I do not vote Labour) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Hopefully her son 'Sir' Mark follows her through the gates of hell very soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Evil Middle Class witch. Is it a crime to be middle class now? yes - Hasta la victoria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Dined with Jimmy Saville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Evil Middle Class witch. Is it a crime to be middle class now? yes - Hasta la victoria Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Everyone likes to help the odd fascist murderer when they can. tbf our arms exports would be almost zero if we didn't Hopefully her son 'Sir' Mark follows her through the gates of hell very soon. quite a repulsive comment really shame on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Dined with Jimmy Saville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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