legov Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Morally. It won't work because as is happening the PFA get involved and molly coddle them telling them they are hard done by. I agree with you on the first point. On the second point, people may find it disgusting, but players are well within their rights to under-perform, and to take on poor lifestyles, etc. I don't think these are usually stipulated in their contracts. There's nothing that legally binds players to work their socks off or to be morally upright paragons. I don't think it has anything to do with the PFA tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 All clubs will have a code of conduct relating to lifestyle and behaviour. It will be stipulated in the contract that regular breaches will result in fines and ultimately dismissal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 You don't expect little angels but a level of professionalism at work. You can not turn up late and decide when you want to train/work. Two things both Di Canio and Harry have alluded to in recent interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Fair enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 You don't expect little angels but a level of professionalism at work. You can not turn up late and decide when you want to train/work. Two things both Di Canio and Harry have alluded to in recent interviews. Houllier mentioned same thing when he was here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2013 The man is a prat but I can not see a problem with his stance on the players. They have had it to easy to long in the PL.I agree that his stance may be morally right. But the problem with his approach is that he can be too aggressive. These are not school children that can be scolded every 5 minutes. They are multi-millionaires and whether we or he likes it or not, he needs to have them on his side if they're to get anywhere. Di Canio risks going too far the other way and falling out with everyone who simply will just say **** you and not play for him. Roy Keane suffers from a similar personality trait/flaw. Sometimes it works, but when it doesn't it's a car crash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 It no doubt will be a spectacular mess unless he gets the full unequivocal backing of his chairmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 You don't expect little angels but a level of professionalism at work. You can not turn up late and decide when you want to train/work. Two things both Di Canio and Harry have alluded to in recent interviews. Houllier mentioned same thing when he was here Exactly this. Another manager coming in after MON has noticed a complete lack of professionalism and a poor level of fitness. PDC has been a clearing in the woods by not keeping it in-house and has therefore done his employers a poor turn. Whatever fee that players like Phil Bardsley would've commanded will naturally be slashed now, as everyone and 'Arry's dog knows that he's not wanted at Sunderland anymore. Expect him to be snapped up by a newly promoted team for peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) PFA looking into Blunderland fines: "PFA investigates decision to fine Sunderland players" The disciplinary action taken by Paolo Di Canio against several Sunderland players is being investigated by the Professional Footballers' Association. Players' union chief Gordon Taylor said the Black Cats manager could not be "a law unto himself". Di Canio said last week he had fined seven players and had threatened to sell those who had misbehaved. Taylor said the PFA would determine if the punishments were "acceptable" or if there were grounds for an appeal. "I wouldn't want to go any further at this moment, so as not to prejudice any particular situation," he said. Taylor admitted there had been contact between the PFA and Sunderland players already, while discussions had also been held with the Premier League club. "There has been some complaints, yes," said Taylor. Di Canio took over from Martin O'Neill as manager of the Wearside club in March and has won two of his seven games in charge to help the club avoid relegation. The 44-year-old Italian was scathing about the behaviour of some of his players following the 1-0 defeat at Tottenham on the final day of the season. Black Cats defenders Phil Bardsley and Matthew Kilgallon were left out of the squad for the game at White Hart Lane, having been pictured in a casino in midweek. "Nobody says we're against discipline at the PFA. but it's got to be proportionate," said Taylor. "We have a recommended code for clubs to adhere to. "Players know when they've done wrong and when they've been a problem. For the most part, they will accept that. "But it's not always good to have the manager coming out in public. These things are better dealt with person to person internally and it's better for the future." Fifteen years ago, Di Canio was represented by Taylor after pushing over referee Paul Alcock in 1998 when he was a Sheffield Wednesday player. "I can remember representing him many years ago when he had his problem with the referee at Sheffield Wednesday," said Taylor. "I don't want to add fuel to the flames, merely to say Paolo was a player and member of the PFA. "The PFA were there for Paolo when he was a player and we'll be there for him with his players. He is aware of the role of the PFA and knows we are there for the players. "Paolo can't be a law unto himself. There are rule and regulations to abide by - and that goes for the disciplining of players as well." edit: link http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22608572 Edited May 21, 2013 by Jarpie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2013 Having a "recommended code" is not the same as a set of rules and regulations. Taylor is right, but it'll be interesting to see if the players have a leg to stand on. He won't have fined them for no reason and it is an internal matter. It's precisely the kind of scenario I referred to above though. The players will just end up saying 'screw you'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Incredibly interesting that DC found the same problems after MON that Houllier had after MON. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Sunderland take a while to get back on their feet as they are in precisely the same situation we found ourselves in two years ago. Overpaid, overrated players with no professionalism who don't give a toss about the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcgrathsknees Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Ready to go forum (Mackems) have 97% agreement with Di Canio. Can't say I disagree with him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted May 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2013 Regardless of if Di Canio is right or wrong on this he sounds like he has already lost the players, so what is he going to do? Ship them all out and sign new ones? Good luck with that Paulo. Old Ellis Short is going to have a decision to make, back him to the hilt financially and with time to ship them all out or pay him off and try someone else. Even if he does back him and he replaces the squad he will fall out with them soon enough. It really is so similar to the Houllier disaster after O'Neill only Di Canio is even more of an arse. That club is going to be a shit fest all summer and next season and will be interesting to watch from the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Regardless of if Di Canio is right or wrong on this he sounds like he has already lost the players, so what is he going to do? Ship them all out and sign new ones? Good luck with that Paulo. Old Ellis Short is going to have a decision to make, back him to the hilt financially and with time to ship them all out or pay him off and try someone else. Even if he does back him and he replaces the squad he will fall out with them soon enough. It really is so similar to the Houllier disaster after O'Neill only Di Canio is even more of an arse. That club is going to be a shit fest all summer and next season and will be interesting to watch from the outside. Too bad they're not doing "Fly-on-the-wall" documentary about Sunderland and Di Canio, that'd be just magnificient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Based on how they did with him in the 8 games he'll be sacked before january. yet it was an improvement on previous manger who wouldnt let the players out of their own half in a number of gutless diplays. Sunderland fans said with MON they still would have lost to us but 1-0 as would not actually attacked in the game Well thats all debatable and we'll never really know. The way wigan ended on a whimper mon would have kept them up anyway imo, thats not to say he didn't deserve the sack though. I just think hes an unstable character and i just cant see it working in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 As Trent says, for di canio to be a success (whatever that is for sunderland) they will need an entire new team who fit in with di canios 110% every game no excuses ethos. Half that team that played against us won't be there in august. A short term pick me up when he took over kept them up. New manager syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted May 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2013 I'm sure the players all thought he was great at first and I'm sure he was but with someone like Di Canio the mask can only stay in place for so long, then when things go badly their true character shows. DI Canio can be very charming but beneath that facade lies a not very pleasant character in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDish Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I find it strange that the media has not picked up on the similarities Di Canio and Houllier has faced after taking over a MON team. The media darling MON should get buried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I don't mind some Sunderland fans - in fact I know some decent ones. However I hope this goes bang in Di Canio's and subsequently their face. He's an unpleasant, dislikable prick, who uses his "passion" as an excuse to be a complete word removed and behave like a prick to others teams and fans unnecessarily. And I'm so glad we rammed those ill-chosen words back down his unpleasant shite-spouting gullet on the 29th April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted May 21, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2013 Why? O'Neill walked away from here and left us in a mess and the media totally and utterly missed it and half of them pointed at us and said "look what has happened since O'Neill went." Most of the press, even the big names on Sunday Supplement haven't really got a clue about clubs outside the top 4. Even with things going to shit under him at Sunderland the press didn't get on to it while us lot were all nodding at each other with knowing smiles. O'Neill is a dinosaur of a manager and worse, one that has I think lost his drive but the press, many of whom are either friends with him or scared of him will continue to give him an easy ride and will race to crawl up his crack if he gets another job. He leads a charmed existence only surpassed by Redknapp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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