Straggler Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Really? From here it looks like he's the second worst Presidential candidate in history. You don't need to look past the last two Republican president's to find two worse candidates, never mind the people they ran against. Tulsi Gabbard was worse too from the democratic field for 2020. I suppose it depends a little bit on your definition of worse. Please note this does leave every other candidate in the race as better than Biden and I wish he wasn't the choice, but there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 33 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Really? From here it looks like he's the second worst Presidential candidate in history. Worse than the likes of George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Richard Nixon? And that's before you even get to some of the dregs that the 19th Century produced. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Straggler said: IMO Trump lucked onto a winning strategy against Clinton by doing what he always does and projecting his own worst features and actions onto his opponent. Clinton was a crook, Mexicans were rapists, the swamp was corrupt. It's all basically him. It is incredible how effective this technique actually is. His attack lines on Biden are essentially the key points that Biden could have been using on him. Things like the accusation of mental decline, of cosying up to China, a questionable history on relations with black people, accusations of being gropy with women etc etc. All the main attack lines on Biden are things that Trump has clearly been guilty of, however Trump gets in first and turns them to his advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, ml1dch said: Worse than the likes of George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Richard Nixon? That's a bit harsh on Nixon - other than being a massive crook, he was one of the better US Presidents of the 20th century. I think it's obvious that any description that starts "other than being a massive crook" is open to question, but I still think it's harsh on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: That's a bit harsh on Nixon - other than being a massive crook, he was one of the better US Presidents of the 20th century. I think it's obvious that any description that starts "other than being a massive crook" is open to question, but I still think it's harsh on him. Other than being a genocidal mass murdering maniac, Hitler wasn’t a bad chap really.......no sorry.....it doesn’t work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: That's a bit harsh on Nixon - other than being a massive crook, he was one of the better US Presidents of the 20th century. I think it's obvious that any description that starts "other than being a massive crook" is open to question, but I still think it's harsh on him. He even tried to get them to use the metric system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Straggler said: You don't need to look past the last two Republican president's to find two worse candidates, never mind the people they ran against. Tulsi Gabbard was worse too from the democratic field for 2020. I suppose it depends a little bit on your definition of worse. Please note this does leave every other candidate in the race as better than Biden and I wish he wasn't the choice, but there you go. Of all the people in the dem side of the fence, you decide to use Gabbard as an example. Not selling out is a bad thing, who knew! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: That's a bit harsh on Nixon - other than being a massive crook, he was one of the better US Presidents of the 20th century. I think it's obvious that any description that starts "other than being a massive crook" is open to question, but I still think it's harsh on him. Can’t decide if that’s serious? Nixon had a secret bombing campaign in Cambodia having won an election on a pledge of de escalating a war. He was a mass murdering crook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Straggler said: Tulsi Gabbard was worse too from the democratic field for 2020. I suppose it depends a little bit on your definition of worse. Does it ever. I thought she was much, much better than Biden. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: He was a mass murdering crook. Like every US President since the second world war in fairness. But, he established the EPA, ended the draft, put money into healthcare (and almost got a version of Obamacare passed), reduced the deficit and did some reasonable stuff on equality - he was quite progressive for his time. I'd have him over Reagan or either Bush - but yes, he was a massive crook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Like every US President since the second world war in fairness. But, he established the EPA, ended the draft, put money into healthcare (and almost got a version of Obamacare passed), reduced the deficit and did some reasonable stuff on equality - he was quite progressive for his time. I'd have him over Reagan or either Bush - but yes, he was a massive crook. Nah, I’m not enthused by Biden but I can’t accept he’s worse than Nixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Like every US President since the second world war in fairness. But, he established the EPA, ended the draft, put money into healthcare (and almost got a version of Obamacare passed), reduced the deficit and did some reasonable stuff on equality - he was quite progressive for his time. I'd have him over Reagan or either Bush - but yes, he was a massive crook. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Biden’s worse than Bush, Bush jnr, Reagan and Nixon? Jeesh, tough crowd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, villakram said: Of all the people in the dem side of the fence, you decide to use Gabbard as an example. Not selling out is a bad thing, who knew! She would be a perfectly respectable Republican party candidate I suppose. IMO she was standing for the wrong party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Biden’s worse than Bush, Bush jnr, Reagan and Nixon? Jeesh, tough crowd. Yeah, I'm not following the metrics being used here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Straggler said: She would be a perfectly respectable Republican party candidate I suppose. IMO she was standing for the wrong party. Republican?!? She was running a very left leaning campaign, pretty similar to Sanders, just like last time around (where they ended up being running mates). I would suggest paying less attention to establishment media campaigns to impugn the reputation of anyone who does not bend the knee to our corporate overlords. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 8 hours ago, villakram said: Republican?!? She was running a very left leaning campaign, pretty similar to Sanders, just like last time around (where they ended up being running mates). I would suggest paying less attention to establishment media campaigns to impugn the reputation of anyone who does not bend the knee to our corporate overlords. I pay attention just fine, she lost me when she decided not to vote to impeach Trump. But tbh number of candidates worse than Biden I don't really care about. They are not the nominee, Biden is and it seems like the consensus is that he is not a good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Straggler said: They are not the nominee, Biden is and it seems like the consensus is that he is not a good choice. In what group of people is this the consensus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 53 minutes ago, ml1dch said: In what group of people is this the consensus? Around here mostly, I've not seen anyone speak up for him. Although saying that I did just see his 2 trillion climate plan announced yesterday which I have to admit that I like. It was my biggest worry that Biden would only tinker around the edges of climate change, but I have to admit what he is promising is significant. I'd still much prefer Bernie, or Warren, but this is a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Warren was a good candidate, competent and principled, just not very exciting and a woman so she was brushed aside. She’s in the running for Biden’s VP pick though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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