Straggler Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Yeah, but that was the last election. Now he's all cancel cancel culture and save our Confederate statues. He's not connecting in the same way any more. It will take a monumental change in circumstance or an equivalent effort to cheat the result for him to win this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 hours ago, chrisp65 said: Make America Great Again. Build That wall. Lock Her Up. Arians Uber Alles. All those messages are fairly shit, but there’s a definite theme and a definite audience that knows what he means. Whilst it’s all deniable because he’s a bit dumbass. I don't disagree (or at least, I see what you're saying), but what does that have to do with the word 'generality'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't disagree (or at least, I see what you're saying), but what does that have to do with the word 'generality'? Ah, that bit you have to take in the context of the guy saying ‘generality’, he often has a more flowing poetic use of language than some others on here. I personally took it as meaning, for all his ability to be an anus, a douche and a thoroughly horrible person that persistently gives the impression of being as thick as shit (his general character, his generality), he actually knows how to drive home a simple message that taps in to the prejudices of other less enlightened less woke folk. But I’m speaking for others, I could be waaaaaaaaay off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Trump predictably throwing Anthony Fauci under the bus. "He made a lot of mistakes, I saved lives" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 A fairly mind-blowing fact: there are 5 sitting US senators who were born before Buddy Holly (Holly would be 83 if he were alive today). They are: Dianne Feinstein - 87 Chuck Grassley - 86 Richard Shelby - 86 Jim Inhofe - 85 Pat Roberts - 84 Dianne Feinstein's term does not end for four more years; she will be 91. Jim Inhofe is standing for re-election for a six-year term. He would (will, if he survives, because he won't lose) be 92 when he leaves office. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 On 11/07/2020 at 23:12, HanoiVillan said: I'm struggling to make this sentence make sense to me tbh. I think @chrisp65 has explained myself better than I could myself! On 12/07/2020 at 00:16, KenjiOgiwara said: I think he means coherent drivel tbf Trump does talk a fair bit of non-sense, but it's not that we don't know what he means to express. On 12/07/2020 at 00:48, chrisp65 said: Make America Great Again. Build That wall. Lock Her Up. Arians Uber Alles. All those messages are fairly shit, but there’s a definite theme and a definite audience that knows what he means. Whilst it’s all deniable because he’s a bit dumbass. Thanking you! Fighting for freedom. War on terror. The land of the free, home of the brave. These are generalities, vague, without specificity, and without supporting evidence to substantiate meaning. On 12/07/2020 at 04:27, chrisp65 said: Ah, that bit you have to take in the context of the guy saying ‘generality’, he often has a more flowing poetic use of language than some others on here. I personally took it as meaning, for all his ability to be an anus, a douche and a thoroughly horrible person that persistently gives the impression of being as thick as shit (his general character, his generality), he actually knows how to drive home a simple message that taps in to the prejudices of other less enlightened less woke folk. But I’m speaking for others, I could be waaaaaaaaay off. You read me like a book. And that is without doubt one of the kindest and well received compliments you could have offered me. Thank you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Well today he said that Biden and Obama stopped Covid19 testing. It's not even a close run thing, he is clearly an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, A'Villan said: Trump does talk a fair bit of non-sense, but it's not that we don't know what he means to express. Maybe it's just my grasp of English. Half the time I see him publically speaking I don't get what he's trying to convey, nor do I feel he knows where he's going with his train of thought. He's been consistently a shit human being though, and that's been clear from day one, so I guess you have a point here. Edited July 14, 2020 by KenjiOgiwara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Maybe it's just my grasp of English. Half the time I see him publically speaking I don't get what he's trying to convey, nor do I feel he knows where he's going with his train of thought. He's been consistently a shit human being though, and that's been clear from day one, so I guess you have a point here. At a guess, it's less your grasp of English, and more your seeking authenticity, genuineness and sincerity from a man who is meant to represent, in this representative democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted July 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Maybe it's just my grasp of English. Half the time I see him publically speaking I don't get what he's trying to convey, nor do I feel he knows where he's going with his train of thought. He's been consistently a shit human being though, and that's been clear from day one, so I guess you have a point here. He’s not pitching his words at you though. He’s pitching the words at the U.S. voter equivalent of someone that could claim to read The Sun for 20 years and not realise it’s a horrible rag full of lies and hate. The sort of person that just wants their own uninformed internal dialogue validated. Clearly he’s not talking to people that will go away and do research around credible source documents. Sloganeering for people that might vote based on slogans. The sort of U.S. equivalent of someone more impressed with a half price burger meal deal than 65,000 deaths and hundreds of millions of pounds of deeply dodgy contract awards. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 yep, its the same trick that Boris tries to play, the man of the people he couldn't be less like his voters if he tried but they think he's one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Straggler Posted July 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2020 Trump is a con man. Not because he is good at it, but because he has nothing of value or substance to bring. He is also stupid. That he has been able to maintain the image of being successful whilst being obviously an imbecile says more about the society that spawned him. There is a popular misconception that wealth equals intelligence, that to have huge sums of money you must have an insight that others lack. The simpler truth with Trump is that he inherited lots of money. The money gave him credibility way beyond his ability. He had enough sense to know that, so for his entire life he has lied to inflate his wealth and therefore his credentials. This trick has worked right up to the point he managed to become President and is to a point still working. People who have been conned don't like to admit it. IMO Trump lucked onto a winning strategy against Clinton by doing what he always does and projecting his own worst features and actions onto his opponent. Clinton was a crook, Mexicans were rapists, the swamp was corrupt. It's all basically him. To say he pitched his words at anyone I think is to give him more credit than he is due. He lies, deflects and projects. There is no strategy behind his messaging or he would not do so much stuff that shrinks his base to its core. The ability he had to successfully con has diminished with age. At this stage it is only the apparatus around the President and the inherent respect of the role rather than the person that is keeping him going at all. What we are watching now is his best effort to capture that momentum he had in 2016, but he really has no idea how he did it. All he knows is he lied and said what he thought people wanted to hear. So he is lying and spouting any old crap in the hope that something, anything sticks. But he is the incumbent now and blaming everyone else for your failings when you are the most powerful person on earth doesn't resonate in the same way as it did when he was the non establishment outsider. He is a mostly hollow man with a tiny core of avarice, jealousy and cruelty. He lacks principles, empathy and any discernible talent all of which he hides under a golden fog of wealth and lies. 2016 was a perfect storm for him. A terrible democrat candidate in Clinton, a corrupt system littered with corporate cash and he lucked upon a slogan or two. MAGA he took from Regan, no original thought or effort required and build the wall he admitted himself was something he riffed at a speech that got a cheer so he kept on saying it. The money gave him credibility. He is cruel and when he said cruel things the crowd cheered. He is hateful and when he spouted hate the crowd begged for more. He lied and the crowd found a way to believe in the glittering golden fog of wealth and privilege that he allowed them to breathe in for a moment. But at the end he is still stupid. He rode a bike down a hill, he has got to the bottom and has no idea you have to pedal to go back up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Straggler said: 2016 was a perfect storm for him. A terrible democrat candidate in Clinton, a corrupt system littered with corporate cash and he lucked upon a slogan or two. I'm not sure he's found a slogan that sticks for this year yet, but both of the first two conditions in that storm are worse now than they were when he was elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm not sure he's found a slogan that sticks for this year yet, but both of the first two conditions in that storm are worse now than they were when he was elected. I think, rightly or wrongly, that Biden is a more popular, or less unpopular, candidate than Clinton was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm not sure he's found a slogan that sticks for this year yet, but both of the first two conditions in that storm are worse now than they were when he was elected. Biden is a bad candidate, I don't think he is worse than Clinton though. Hilary gave people a sort of knee jerk shiver of dislike that Burden doesn't illicit. Biden is also running a smarter campaign by just staying out of the way and letting Trump implode. The corruption being worse now is good for an outsider, not for the incumbent. It's Trump's corruption now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Michelsen said: I think, rightly or wrongly, that Biden is a more popular, or less unpopular, candidate than Clinton was. Really? From here it looks like he's the second worst Presidential candidate in history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 14, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Straggler said: The corruption being worse now is good for an outsider, not for the incumbent. It's Trump's corruption now. The corporate cash IS the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Really? From here it looks like he's the second worst Presidential candidate in history. For some reason, Hilary Clinton is intensely disliked by a lot of Americans. Joe Biden, as unformidable a candidate as he is, is far less polarizing and palatable to many swing voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Really? From here it looks like he's the second worst Presidential candidate in history. Yes, I think they're right about this. There just seem to be quite a few Republicans who don't really fear a Biden presidency - possibly not without reason. Also can't ignore that he's a dusty old white guy, much like many of them, and might be less of a symbolic affront than an Obama, Harris or Warren would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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