bobzy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Just now, Zatman said: im not British though Yeah... I think that's the only problem here too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I think Westwood is just been shown up having poor players around him too. As part of a midfield with Delph and Cleverley he was pretty good most of the time. I still think he can do a job in the championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, Zatman said: well by going by the management in recent seasons I think people on this forum probably do know better can't wait for N'Zogbia's new contract and re-introduction into the side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, a m ole said: can't wait for N'Zogbia's new contract and re-introduction into the side! i dont think anybody on this forum ever said to give Nzogbia a new deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Just now, Zatman said: i dont think anybody on this forum ever said to give Nzogbia a new deal so off topic but weren't you an advocate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, a m ole said: so off topic but weren't you an advocate? to put him back in squad ahead of Sinclair but not a new contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 43 minutes ago, sne said: Almost 120 PL games for us, less than 5 goals and less than 10 assists. Sure you can say that is not his role, but what is his role? That is for me his biggest redeeming grace, no manager seem to have found a role for him, he just is. Had he been given a clear role he might have performed better. Don't buy that he keeps things ticking and does his work in the quiet. We've all seen enough games to know this is just not true. He get's slack because he's always playing, but is never visible. It's not his fault that our midfield has shit for seasons now, but he's been a mainstay in a shit midfield. Had he'd been a part time player for said midfield he'd get less critique. Has nothing to do with his nationality or where we signed him from, if anything he'd get much more critique had he been an expensive signing from another PL team. This is a big issue for me. 'It's not his role'. But I bet there are several out-and-out defensive midfielders who score and assist more frequently than Westwood does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: This is a big issue for me. 'It's not his role'. But I bet there are several out-and-out defensive midfielders who score and assist more frequently than Westwood does. Considering how many set pieces he's taken it's not very impressive is it? Again, our midfield as a whole has not been working for ages, even with Delph and Cleverly it was poorly composed. But Westwood is just not good enough to play on a regular basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: This is a big issue for me. 'It's not his role'. But I bet there are several out-and-out defensive midfielders who score and assist more frequently than Westwood does. Ashley Westwood - 119 PL games, 3 goals, 10 assists Over the same time period: Nemanjc Matic - 83 PL games, 2 goals, 8 assists Mathieu Flamini - 66 PL games (second time at Arsenal), 3 goals, 1 assist Michael Carrick - 107 PL games, 3 goals, 6 assists Lucas Leiva - 94 PL games, 0 goals, 1 assist Lee Cattermole - 88 PL games, 2 goals, 0 assists A couple of recent Villa players: Fabian Delph (from 11/12 onwards) - 97 PL games, 5 goals, 5 assists Carlos Sanchez - 44 PL games, 1 goal, 0 assists ...and, for what it's worth, a better technical player in a much better team at the time: Stilian Petrov - 91 PL games, 5 goals, 5 assists I'm sure there are defensive midfielders who contribute more to the end-part of the pitch, and I'm also sure Westwood gets forward more than a lot of them, but hardly outrageous comparative to people in much better teams? (All stats from WhoScored and obviously a random selection of defensive players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sne Posted April 12, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Not many if any of those listed players is a regular set piece taker for his club thou. Sadly his 3 goals came 2 seasons ago and 7 of his assist came 3 seasons ago (when he was pretty good in a better team), since then he's become the ghost we know today. Edited April 12, 2016 by sne 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 What @sne said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I think the problem with Westwood is that he has no specific role, he lies deep, but doesn't seem to win many tackles (I am sure someone can give me some stats) or interceptions. He's weak and too slow to be a presence as a defensive player. He's not a play maker, as he does not create enough chances, I appreciate that he is supposed to be a safe option that doesn't loose the ball and keeps the play ticking, but his passes are just to safe. and when he tries making good passes he fails quite often. AND he has the worst shots I have seen of any professional premier league player ever. He is not close to being our worst player, but he is not good. Maybe with better players around him he would improve. Also that we keep using three defensive midfielders may ruin his game a bit, as he has less options when trying to pass forward and the other defensive midfielders get in his way. (the three central midfielders is in my opinion one of our weakest links, no one else plays like this) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ermie123 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Westwood pass forward never seen that. There are two who can compete with the worst shot competition and they are Carlos Sanchez and Alexander Tonev, the latter was a danger to all but the goalkeeper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I'm pretty neutral. There are certainly a fair few others that must go before he does. But I would say its hard to criticise him for so few assists - who has he had to assist ? I can't remember the last time we had a player who made proper 'runs', (including Tekkers). His corners and free kicks are, to be sure, woeful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 6 hours ago, PaulC said: I think Westwood is just been shown up having poor players around him too. As part of a midfield with Delph and Cleverley he was pretty good most of the time. I still think he can do a job in the championship. No, no he wasn't "pretty good most of the time", ever. The sooner this stain on our history is shown the door the better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Ashley Westwood - 119 PL games, 3 goals, 10 assists Over the same time period: Nemanjc Matic - 83 PL games, 2 goals, 8 assists Mathieu Flamini - 66 PL games (second time at Arsenal), 3 goals, 1 assist Michael Carrick - 107 PL games, 3 goals, 6 assists Lucas Leiva - 94 PL games, 0 goals, 1 assist Lee Cattermole - 88 PL games, 2 goals, 0 assists A couple of recent Villa players: Fabian Delph (from 11/12 onwards) - 97 PL games, 5 goals, 5 assists Carlos Sanchez - 44 PL games, 1 goal, 0 assists ...and, for what it's worth, a better technical player in a much better team at the time: Stilian Petrov - 91 PL games, 5 goals, 5 assists I'm sure there are defensive midfielders who contribute more to the end-part of the pitch, and I'm also sure Westwood gets forward more than a lot of them, but hardly outrageous comparative to people in much better teams? (All stats from WhoScored and obviously a random selection of defensive players). Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Westwood is shit and has been since day one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 So have we figured it out yet or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Seeing as this is very much the Indy 500 of Villa Talk I'm sure we'll go round and round and round a few more times Edited April 12, 2016 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, avfc1982 said: Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Westwood is shit and has been since day one. ****, you sure shown him. Whos opinion do i believe more. You literally just shown a very very good argument there compared to bobzy. Im so so confused now. OT: he will obviously be good player in championship lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 19 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Nobody has said any different. Great, I didn't ask them to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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