Dr_Pangloss Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) My abiding memory of Collins was....Hooooooofs.......up the field To be fair, I'd rather that than passing it straight to the opposition for them to score Edited May 25, 2015 by Dr_Pangloss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Collins has always been a better player than Vlaar, whether in a Villa shirt or not. That said, at Villa's current position, assuming no takeover, keeping Vlaar on reasonable wages would be a positive for the squad. He's OK for lower midtable and if you don't expect your defence to allow less than 50-55 goals per season. Has he balls Vlaar's going through an uncharacteristic bad patch - this is the worst he's been for us and this is not his normal level. Collins made mistakes all the time. I feel like people are letting some of his recent high profile mistakes cloud their judgement on him (see Guzan for a similar reaction. went from best keeper outside top 6 to someone we need to replace ) . While Collins might not have made as many individual errors, he more than makes up for it with his generally poor positioning and propensity for being easily turned by strikers with the slightest bit of pace or trickery. Also seems to still be trying to figure out what a grounded pass is, Vlaar is easily the better footballer in that regard. Collins is much better and more commanding in the air granted, but that's pretty much all I can think of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I think on the whole Vlaar has been good for us considering how little we paid for him. Even considering his dip in form that i think coincides with his constant injuries of late. Vlaar has been money well spent, but that all goes out the window if we offer him a new contract, that would be a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted May 25, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'll tell you who was effing phenomenal, Zat Knight. Bring him back! NUHNUHNUHNUHNUHUNUHUNUNUH ZAT MAN im already here 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I think Ron's been very positive for us, so wish him well. I wonder whether the World Cup took too much out of him, or whether he'd have ended up getting injured so much any way. Either way, I think he'd be an attractive option for a lot of teams abroad or as a backup at a Champions League team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 My biggest fear with Vlaar is that managers seem scared to drop him, everyone knows he will start when he is fit even if others are in better form than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Vlaar is the better defender, but in terms of performances for us, Collins was more solid, consistent and less error prone centre half. Yep I'd go with that. Vlaar has clearly been talented (I think injuries may have ruined him now) but on the whole he's been average and injured here. Don't care how talented he is if he rarely performs to that level or spends too much time injured its done nothing to contribute to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Next we'll be asking for Curtis 'The Colossus' Davies to return (what a player!) How about Zat Knight Incredible talent who forced Gary Cahill out of the club 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Maybe a summer without any football will give him chance to get over any injuries and we'll see a much better Vlaar next season. I think him and Clark are our best pairing and I rate him much higher than Collins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'll tell you who was effing phenomenal, Zat Knight. Bring him back! NUHNUHNUHNUHNUHUNUHUNUNUH ZAT MAN im already here Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 He has been playing through pain and looked to be limping a lot in recent games. It's feasible thst the injuries have affected his performance level and I'm just about happy enough to see him stay here as he proved in the past to be really good for us, at the same time I won't be too bothered if he goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I hate to say this as I like and rate Ron but I think we should cut our losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 He has made so many mistakes this season, is not getting any younger and is extremely injury prone. Giving him a new contract would be poor decision imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Depends how much he'd be on. One benefit is that he'd obviously cost less than paying a transfer fee for someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 26, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2015 If it wasn't for injuries then I'd be overwhelmingly positive about keeping Vlaar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 For a pay cut he's got to be worth keeping in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfcwills10 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 For a pay cut he's got to be worth keeping in the squad. He won't be wanting to take a pay cut though. He's going to want a big contract as it's probably (with his injury problems) going to be his last. Take into account that fact that he would be forfeiting a signing on fee with someone else too and he's probably going to want at least £60k a week. Not worth it imo. But it's a tricky decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 If he wants the same wages it would be a piss take, let alone an increase. He's not in a position to demand a pay rise because no other club is going to pay him £60,000 a week. If he wants to stay at premier league level I think we're in the driving seat now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 He's on 20k, don't see why he should take a pay cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I think maybe 30k a week 2 year deal with an option is good for all parties. Vlaar missed his big chance last summer of a big contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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