sharkyvilla Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I read that horrible story the other day of a fire at a Coptic Christian church in Egypt killing over 40 people including loads of kids. I mean how could a God not step in to save dozens of people worshipping him? If he exists he must be a massive word removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 16 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: I read that horrible story the other day of a fire at a Coptic Christian church in Egypt killing over 40 people including loads of kids. I mean how could a God not step in to save dozens of people worshipping him? If he exists he must be a massive word removed. Maybe God is the bad guy who usurped and banished the lovely, caring, top geezer named Satan then printed shit loads of propaganda books? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 19, 2022 Administrator Share Posted August 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Maybe God is the bad guy who usurped and banished the lovely, caring, top geezer named Satan then printed shit loads of propaganda books? According to the Bible, this is almost correct except that Satan is God's imaginary friend who gets blamed for a few misdemeanours. God is busy picking favourites and killing people, including his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, limpid said: According to the Bible, this is almost correct except that Satan is God's imaginary friend who gets blamed for a few misdemeanours. God is busy picking favourites and killing people, including his son. Yup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted August 19, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted August 19, 2022 Yeah, but Satan killed ten innocent victims. The 2,038,344 were obviously wrong 'uns. They'd transgressed the unwritten law. They were asking for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 19, 2022 Administrator Share Posted August 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Yeah, but Satan killed ten innocent victims. The 2,038,344 were obviously wrong 'uns. They'd transgressed the unwritten law. They were asking for it. Most of those ten were at God's goading (basically as part of a wager). He was probably getting a bit existential trying to decide which god he was out of the mountain god, fire god, animal god and sky god described in the preceding chapters. I'm not sure the babies killed by the Flood had become "wrong uns" and people that pretend they know God's mind push the pretence of free will, which would mean he couldn't know that they would become "wrong". However, neither babies nor women would have been counted in these numbers because they were chattel; so God killed them because of other people's actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 51 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Yeah, but Satan killed ten innocent victims. The 2,038,344 were obviously wrong 'uns. They'd transgressed the unwritten law. They were asking for it. I think it was Woody Allen who said that God was an underachiever, and these numbers seem to prove it. I mean, Stalin killed between 6 and 20 million, and people still believed in him - some still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: Yeah, but Satan killed ten innocent victims. The 2,038,344 were obviously wrong 'uns. They'd transgressed the unwritten law. They were asking for it. What about that guys wife (When God told them not to look at the destruction when he rained down fire and brimstone ) God turned her into stone....AND what about all the other living things in those two towns/cities,cats,dogs,goats,chickens,etc etc etc. Do they count as casualties ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: What about that guys wife (When God told them not to look at the destruction when he rained down fire and brimstone ) God turned her into stone....AND what about all the other living things in those two towns/cities,cats,dogs,goats,chickens,etc etc etc. Do they count as casualties ? A lot of people manage to justify the bombing of Hiroshima where 70 000 died and claim that it saved lives as it shortened the war. Theoretically an Omniscient being would have been equally capable of predicting the human consequences of Sodom? Servicemen who witnessed the Bikini island test were told to cover their eyes, to avoid the risk of blindness. Thousands of animals were exposed to the blast at Nagasaki by the allies, to see the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 The relevance of what God may or may not have done in actuality based on interpretations of the Bible have about as much relevance to everyday life as who is cooler, Thor or Zeus? People are here proposing arguments about a being they likely think does not exist using data from the Bible that they mistrust. What I find the human brain is capable of taking on some amazing mindboggling beliefs. I suspect we are all capable of this. This whole Abrahamic belief system thing is nuts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bielesibub Posted August 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2022 Love this thread, the god and the satan thing has always floated my boat (hence the ridiculous profile name). About 20 years ago I had a very interesting conversation with the door step Jehovahs witnesses about god vs satan, they bleated out that satan was responsible for some really horrid things - 'like what?', i asked - after some thinking, they came back with he got man cast out from the garden of eden. I nodded and enquired 'but who was it that destroyed whole cities? created plagues? poisoned his people? Drove people from their lands? demanded the first born of families? caused an almighty flood' - silence ... 'do you think you could be supporting the wrong team?', I enquired. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 I dont care who he is Tell him to get off the water,he is scaring the fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 21, 2022 Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 19/08/2022 at 19:22, bielesibub said: Love this thread, the god and the satan thing has always floated my boat (hence the ridiculous profile name). About 20 years ago I had a very interesting conversation with the door step Jehovahs witnesses about god vs satan, they bleated out that satan was responsible for some really horrid things - 'like what?', i asked - after some thinking, they came back with he got man cast out from the garden of eden. I nodded and enquired 'but who was it that destroyed whole cities? created plagues? poisoned his people? Drove people from their lands? demanded the first born of families? caused an almighty flood' - silence ... 'do you think you could be supporting the wrong team?', I enquired. Brilliant. So their one example was not something that Satan did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 4, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) So Pope Jean Paul I who was only Pope for 33 days is on his way to Sainthood as he performed a bona-fide miracle in curing an Argentinian girl. Who are they kidding. This is the modern world now, does anyone really believe he performed a miracle cure? If you tried to get it past the advertising standards authority they'd laugh you out of the building. Drink Guinness, it's good for you. Can't believe they're still trying to create new saints and attributing miracles in this day and age. Edited September 4, 2022 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 4, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, sidcow said: So Pope Jean Paul I who was only Pope for 33 days is on his way to Sainthood as he performed a bona-fide miracle in curing an Argentinian girl. Who are they kidding. This is the modern world now, does anyone really believe he performed a miracle cure? If you tried to get it past the advertising standards authority they'd laugh you out of the building. Drink Guinness, it's good for you. Can't believe they're still trying to create new saints and attributing miracles in this day and age. Shame he couldn’t perform another miracle by raising from the dead and pointing the finger at the Cardinals that offed him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNVillan Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 7 hours ago, sidcow said: So Pope Jean Paul I who was only Pope for 33 days is on his way to Sainthood as he performed a bona-fide miracle in curing an Argentinian girl. Who are they kidding. This is the modern world now, does anyone really believe he performed a miracle cure? If you tried to get it past the advertising standards authority they'd laugh you out of the building. Drink Guinness, it's good for you. Can't believe they're still trying to create new saints and attributing miracles in this day and age. Yeah, I do. Not looking to get in an argument, just saying that at least some people believe it. It’s also fine that you don’t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 2 hours ago, MNVillan said: Yeah, I do. Not looking to get in an argument, just saying that at least some people believe it. It’s also fine that you don’t Guinness? Or the nonsense about religious man pretending to cure someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PussEKatt Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 What I dont understand is what did god achieve by letting his son die on the cross.Did the world get a weekend free of crime etc ? Also,I dont understand the big deal about "dying for us" .The way things are right now at Villa,I would gladly die on tuesday,come alive again on friday and watch Villa win on saturday. Im sure,most of us would be quite happy to die for 3 days to get what we want ?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 28, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: What I dont understand is what did god achieve by letting his son die on the cross.Did the world get a weekend free of crime etc ? Also,I dont understand the big deal about "dying for us" .The way things are right now at Villa,I would gladly die on tuesday,come alive again on friday and watch Villa win on saturday. Im sure,most of us would be quite happy to die for 3 days to get what we want ?! Yeah, he did have the cheat codes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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