brummybloke Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 nothing villa related and **** all to do with macron and so on but mat letissier who was one of the best forwards not to play for a big club, turned down a move to spurzz due to the clingy material as it would make him look as fat as he was. he wanted to move but all down to the kit they had, wouldnt move there. as i say nothing villa or macron related but it is kit related. That's the biggest load of tosh I've ever seen. Here's a quote from the man himself: "I had a few offers to join other clubs over the years: Chelsea, Liverpool, Monaco and Bordeaux," he recalled, "and they were all tempting but the closest I got was moving to Spurs. I was about to get married and my then fiancee said she didn't fancy moving to London so I had a think about it and pulled out of the move. http://www.orange.co.uk/sport/football/22711.htm odd because i can quote stuff too, and look, it makes no mention of the claim in your post http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11668_2235977,00.html "I nearly signed for Spurs in 1990 but changed my mind at the last minute when Terry Venables was manager," he told The Daily Echo. "That was the closest I ever came to leaving. It got close, very, very close, to the point where we had agreed on wages. "But, in the end, Southampton gave me a new contract and offered me just as much as Tottenham had. "It probably was the hardest decision I had to make because of my loyalty as a Spurs fan but by this time I had settled in this area and loved the club and the people down here. That was enough to keep me here. "I don't regret a thing. I've made all the decisions and I've stuck by them." the comment about the shirt , his weight and the skin tight kit spurz had at the time was one i heard from his very lips on one of the sky sports football shows, whether he was joking or not i dont know but he said it as i say though it is not villa or macron related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03butpau Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I'm glad next years shirt will be macron because i'll finally have something suitable to self harm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Yeah that is not true about Le Tissier. As for the kit, I don't mind as long as it looks nice and feels good when I wear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 The problem is we all know the actual version is going to be nowhere near as good as lmarsha's mockups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellbydate Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 The problem is we all know the actual version is going to be nowhere near as good as lmarsha's mockups. exactly, they have no bearing on what the actual shirts will be like because they're all on the same template, completely ignoring the cut and material, the two main attributes to the quality of a piece of clothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Where did you get your info from regarding the link between brand and merchandise turnover? well lets look at distribution, who has the biggest distribution network? who is the largest sports merchendise company in the world? which sports merchendise company has the best sales in the world? are any of the answers nike? are any of those answers macron? if you have any facts and figures which disagree with my thoughts that going with a company which is most likely outsold by style by jeremy kyle..lonsdale, will generate more income, or will out sell nike, or the extra clothing range will outsell nikes? please let me know. i am going on common sense, the worlds biggest sports brand who can launch a product in all the major cities across the world and have aston villa shirts on the wall in new york, tokyo, sydney and other rather big places, is clearly going shift more merchendise than a company whose biggest orders in this country are from none league clubs and only other large club is one in the same country they Are from. Ok, and how much good has any of that actually done us ? For all the marketing power, and brand recognition, have Nike kits significantly outsold the kits of Hummel or Diadora ? I would guess not. Do we know the value of the current Nike deal ? I expect financially the Macron deal is better, and let's say it's better by £1M a season, you would need to sell a lot of shirts in Tokyo, Hong Kong, New York etc to make up for tat. I'm not excited by Macron, but what I will say is this, two years ago I did not see any teams in Macron kits, suddenly I see a lot of teams In them, and clearly they are delighted to have Aston Villa for next season, as they've put us first on their list of English clubs. The Nike deal was never going to be lucrative, as far as I'm aware Bob Kain called in a favour to even get them interested, with Macron its likely we will be a priority, and that must be a good thing. If we had to go for a smaller brand, I'd have preferred us to have had a kit by Lotto, but I'm certain the club have goe with who they felt was best (in all aspects). i think your missing the point. if you are a company wanting to sponsor aston villa and know nike are the brand next to your name, you are going to have the worlds best,on a logo, next to your brand. you attract maximum revenue through sponsorship and that is just on the shirt. you have some small time manufacturers with no track record of success and no involvement with success and not a top brand, as an advertiser are you going to pay the same amount of money to have your brand next to macron? i would guess not. nike easily made the best aston villa 'casual' range, tops i normally wouldnt be seen dead in, but the nike designs were simple classic designs with a small villa branding on most, so the mrs wouldnt complain if i was out in one while we went shopping or moan our son was wearing football stuff all the time. so aston villa the brand was being promoted on smart casual polo shirts and the like. other kids see the top and then see a footy team on there and want one. i had 6 or 7 kids at my sons party the other year asking where i got the tops from because they all wanted one. well potentially that is 6 or 7 new fans from the devon area. so it is not as black and white as shirt - £25 profit it is the bigger picture that needs to be appreciated, the vaule of the club name, the extra revenue it will lose by changing shirts. im suprised people think macron will give a flying **** about aston villa and treat them as though they are the lord and master, they will see it as an average premier league club cutting costs and going for their cheap ass shirts. when merchendise is significantly lower than under nike, mecron will treat us as Nike have, not as a priority. under the worlds biggest and best sports brand name we were small fry reaping the benefits of the association with NIke there are no benefits of being associated with macron. if we were rolling in money then i wouldnt care less as funds would not be an issue, however it has been mentioned several times by the club that funds ARE an issue. so why do something which clearly will reduce our funds significantly, with merchendise ( which i believe is not a huge part of it) or most importantly potential for advertising and club associations with successful business. nothing villa related and **** all to do with macron and so on but mat letissier who was one of the best forwards not to play for a big club, turned down a move to spurzz due to the clingy material as it would make him look as fat as he was. he wanted to move but all down to the kit they had, wouldnt move there. as i say nothing villa or macron related but it is kit related. I think you're missing the point. A turd dressed from head to toe in Armani is still a turd. Its highly unlirly that Companies wanting an association with Aston Villa will care who the kit is made by, unless there is some brand synergy between them and Nike. Would Genting really care ? Our association with Nike has done nothing for us, I expect it suits both parties to go their separate ways. For Macron, we will indeed be a very big fish. For Nike who have Man Utd, Barcelona, Brazil etc we would never be of an importance, as proven by the delays and quality issues. If the deal with Macron is worth more per season than th. one Nike begrudgingly signed, its highly unlikely that our income from merchandise will reduce. You don't know what Macron will come up with regarding casual wear, but in my opinion the retro Hummel gear was better than the Man Utd copies Nike gave us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 odd because i can quote stuff too, and look, it makes no mention of the claim in your post http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11668_2235977,00.html "I nearly signed for Spurs in 1990 but changed my mind at the last minute when Terry Venables was manager," he told The Daily Echo. "That was the closest I ever came to leaving. It got close, very, very close, to the point where we had agreed on wages. "But, in the end, Southampton gave me a new contract and offered me just as much as Tottenham had. "It probably was the hardest decision I had to make because of my loyalty as a Spurs fan but by this time I had settled in this area and loved the club and the people down here. That was enough to keep me here. "I don't regret a thing. I've made all the decisions and I've stuck by them." the comment about the shirt , his weight and the skin tight kit spurz had at the time was one i heard from his very lips on one of the sky sports football shows, whether he was joking or not i dont know but he said it as i say though it is not villa or macron related. Right, but you were trying to relate it to Macron and Villa by saying that the brand and kit are important and can affect potential transfers. You then went on to quote another story from Le Tissier explaining about why his move to Spurs never happened and you ended up disproving yourself. As for the thing on Skysports, I didn't see it and I'd be surprised if anyone has a copy of it or a transcript, but I think we can safely assume it was a joke, because not even Le Tissier is that stupid that he would turn down a move for fashion-related reasons. Either way, I think you missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 If any other clubs fans were to come on here looking to prove that we are deluded arrogant words removed than they need look no further than this thread. I won't buymacron cus villa deserve better bffs. The brand recognition argument, I went to alta, turkey and Greece last year, and at no point did any one come over to me wearing a villa shirt and say "hey villa fan, o know all about your club cus your kit is made by Nike". We will get more money than Nike give us, increased revenues = better finances. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 My personal view is that it would be nice if we chose our kit maker based on ethics above all else. Was a bit weird having Acorns on the Nike kit. None of the big brands have ethics issues any more. Those days are long gone, and Nike are now one of the most ethical companies in the world. Nike's factory in Indonesia got stung for millions in compensation for forcing workers to do unpaid overtime literally last month... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 It's all very well these people who say that "It's just a kit manufacturer" but Macron make the football kit equivalent of Crocs shoes. This is Aston Villa, we should set our sights higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteExile Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Any chance of putting the style of collar off the Napoli shirt onto one of those templates? Got a pic. I did put a actual collar on my home kit It's a bit West Ham, isn't it? I know it might be hard to be vastly different to a club who have the same colours and now the same kit manufacturer, but -generally speaking- our kits have generally looked a bit sharper than theirs over the years. Rather than the rounded collars, and all the other OTT detail, I'd like to see us replicating the simple kit a few pages back, from that non league side. Maybe stick with the black socks too for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I wouldn't mind the one above if it had a white collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggaman Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 It's all very well these people who say that "It's just a kit manufacturer" but Macron make the football kit equivalent of Crocs shoes. This is Aston Villa, we should set our sights higher. The most important thing is the money we get from them, not about how 'prestigious' the brand is. As stated previously, I couldn't care less who manufactures our kit as long as it's the best deal for us. More money is more important than a nice looking kit, as people will still buy enough of them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 5, 2012 Moderator Share Posted February 5, 2012 Well we are getting less money so it would seem there is little for anyone to be happy about on this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I think you're missing the point. A turd dressed from head to toe in Armani is still a turd. Its highly unlirly that Companies wanting an association with Aston Villa will care who the kit is made by, unless there is some brand synergy between them and Nike. Would Genting really care ? Our association with Nike has done nothing for us, I expect it suits both parties to go their separate ways. For Macron, we will indeed be a very big fish. For Nike who have Man Utd, Barcelona, Brazil etc we would never be of an importance, as proven by the delays and quality issues. If the deal with Macron is worth more per season than th. one Nike begrudgingly signed, its highly unlikely that our income from merchandise will reduce. You don't know what Macron will come up with regarding casual wear, but in my opinion the retro Hummel gear was better than the Man Utd copies Nike gave us. you seriously think that companies dont care if their brand is positioned next to a world brand leader or not? seriously? you also think fans wont give a toss what merchendise it being put out and will buy it no matter what? seriously? our association with nike has done nothing for us? seriously? so merchandise sales are all up comapired to other manufacturers we have used, people buy more villa stuff ( until this season), we have kit launch which is also done in nike stores throughout the world, we were featured in adverts with the worlds top players you seriously think it has had a negative impact on the financial side of aston villa and think it has not increased the brand awareness of the club? you think that companies wont want their logo next to nikes logo unless there is a synergy? how about being placed next to the worlds largest sports merchandise manufacturer, the brand leader, worlds number 1. you think companies dont take that into consideration? and you say IF the macron deal pays more? tell me, how will it generate more money both short and long term for aston villa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Right, but you were trying to relate it to Macron and Villa by saying that the brand and kit are important and can affect potential transfers. You then went on to quote another story from Le Tissier explaining about why his move to Spurs never happened and you ended up disproving yourself. As for the thing on Skysports, I didn't see it and I'd be surprised if anyone has a copy of it or a transcript, but I think we can safely assume it was a joke, because not even Le Tissier is that stupid that he would turn down a move for fashion-related reasons. Either way, I think you missed the point. so i say its not macron or villa related 2 or 3 times yet oddly you seem to think it must mean its villa macron and future transfer related? oh my goodness, it amazes me just quite how much some people try and twist or deliberately misread even the simplest things. oh dear. odd again i also explain where i heard le tiss comments but again you pretend something else was said? claim i have disproved myself? dispite actually showing you your quote is not the only version which has been told and also include where i heard the comments, which agaoin you misread as to do with fashion when it was rather clear it was about the tight fit and le tiss not wanting to wear something which would make him look fat but never mind it is almost like you cant actually read ? maybe you have some cryptic way you have to read into every post and then reword it to your suiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 whos been our biggest club sponsor? as im not a gambling man, and never have been, im not too keen on having casinos or betting outlets as sponsors, but each to their own i guess, as long as it brings the money in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 the comment about the shirt , his weight and the skin tight kit spurz had at the time was one i heard from his very lips on one of the sky sports football shows, whether he was joking or not i dont know but he said it as i say though it is not villa or macron related. Le Tissier didn't move because he was a lazy **** who didn't want anything more from the game then to coast by at a small club where he'd never get any grief as he was the only half-decent player there, a fan favourite and (as such) untouchable by any of the management/hierarchy. But try telling a Southampton fan that. Dave Jones gave a talk in Basingstoke a few years back when his autobiography came out, there was about 20 people or so there and a few were Saints fans. The subject of Le Tissier came up at one point, and it was quite entertaining to watch the mood of the few supporters there visibly shift when Jones said that Le Tissier "could have played for any club he wanted to, if he just wasn't so bloody lazy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Some interesting comments on here, I am lucky to travel with work and have been to a few countries. Nike, like Adidas often have their own branded shops. I have yet to see a Villa shirt hanging in any of those shops so they are not promoting or increasing overseas sales for the club. That said, the training gear from Nike is decent and I have quite a bit of it for football and casual wear. The point is for me, and it may sound a bit snobbish, but am I going to walk round wearing Macron training/casual wear? Am I heck, so if there are others like me (and I suspect there might be a few) then I suspect merchandising outside of shirt sales will fall quite noticeably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Right, but you were trying to relate it to Macron and Villa by saying that the brand and kit are important and can affect potential transfers. You then went on to quote another story from Le Tissier explaining about why his move to Spurs never happened and you ended up disproving yourself. As for the thing on Skysports, I didn't see it and I'd be surprised if anyone has a copy of it or a transcript, but I think we can safely assume it was a joke, because not even Le Tissier is that stupid that he would turn down a move for fashion-related reasons. Either way, I think you missed the point. so i say its not macron or villa related 2 or 3 times yet oddly you seem to think it must mean its villa macron and future transfer related? oh my goodness, it amazes me just quite how much some people try and twist or deliberately misread even the simplest things. oh dear. odd again i also explain where i heard le tiss comments but again you pretend something else was said? claim i have disproved myself? dispite actually showing you your quote is not the only version which has been told and also include where i heard the comments, which agaoin you misread as to do with fashion when it was rather clear it was about the tight fit and le tiss not wanting to wear something which would make him look fat but never mind it is almost like you cant actually read ? maybe you have some cryptic way you have to read into every post and then reword it to your suiting? Yawn. This is getting tiresome now as neither of you are going to listen, both will dig your heels in before it reverts to personal insults like in almost every other topic in this godforsaken section of the boards. Only on here can a topic about a **** piece of material get so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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