The, he's finally GONE! Tell us your thoughts Thread

[Condimentalist]

I do feel a bit sorry for him in terms of the abuse, but at the same time it's clearly worked to some extent in getting our feelings across. He's a big man, with a big pay cheque, failing at his job to the detriment of thousands and thousands of people who care deeply about the club. It's about time we let people know that it isn't acceptable. Apparently this is the only way. The truth is that neither party should be in this situation in the first place.

[Villarocker]

Whilst I do think some of the abuse on here has been a bit strong - I mean, a Ginger Gibbon FFS - seriously though, he must have known that it would get bad for him if he failed!

He knew what he was letting himself in for by coming to us from the Blues in the first place. He surely must have known he would get it in the neck if he did to us what he did to them? Or, maybe he didn't get so much abuse from them so he didn't expect it from us, which, if so, he must be thick as shit as they are the Blues and used to failure and going down. We, on the other hand, are used to top 10 finishes and feeling comfortably at home in the Premier League!

[jacketspuds]

I said it yesterday and I will say it again.

Sack him NOW. Get Lambert in before the Norwich game and that should be enough to keep us up.

The whole club needs a lift and McLeish moping around feeling sorry for himself is not helping. Our squad needs a boost. Get a motivator in. **** it, just sack McLeish and Grant and I'm sure the players will feel better instantly.

[Woodytom]

Sorry but the abuse is vile, grown men within earshot of kids calling him a word removed etc etc.

Fine, if you think that's ok, go for it

Agreed CI. Its vile and pathetic.

Hes not the first person to be overpaid and underperform in his job, but he is after all, a human being.

[Dodgyknees]

I am not excusing the abuse but maybe if he was more of a man about things, stood up and took the blame, people wouldn't see him as a lying screw up who is going to cost us our premiership status, he makes people angry by being an idiot and putting the blame on everything including god.

[jon_c]

I can specifically remember going as a kid and the worst language I recall came from a woman a few seats down who must have been in her eighties.

Bad language at football, is nothing new, and certainly isn't restricted to hatred of McLeish.

[Morley_crosses_to_Withe]

There's a growing complacency amongst Villa supporters that McLeish will definitely be gone in the summer, but I think this is under-estimating the hubris of the man himself, and the total ineptitude of Lerner and his best mate, Faulkner.

I can see us limping to another two draws against an out-of-form Spurs and an already 'on their summer holidays' Norwich. Couple this with the fans suddenly going quiet on the protest front and I can just see what they'll be thinking come the end of the season:

Mcleish will think that he was, in fact, right all along, and the fans' vitriol during the Bolton game was merely a reaction to us throwing the lead away. If there's no murmur of how much we hate him at the Spurs game then this will just add weight to his strange belief that the abuse was a spontaneous reaction rather than a release of built up frustration/hate.

He'll also probably start to think he CAN actually still do a job for us because we'd have been only beaten once in the last five games.

As for Lerner and Faulkner - they'll probably think the same, and use our amazing run of one loss in five games as enough reason to give him another crack of the whip.

He's a wounded animal at the moment, but he's the type who would go away, let time be a healer, and then come out fighting again. I, for one, will not allow him the chance and will be there to finish him off at the Spurs game.

[Mantis]

I am not excusing the abuse but maybe if he was more of a man about things, stood up and took the blame, people wouldn't see him as a lying screw up who is going to cost us our premiership status, he makes people angry by being an idiot and putting the blame on everything including god.

Thing is, despite all this people STILL think he's "a nice man". It's ridiculous. I don't know him personally but as Villa manager he's not been very nice at all.

There's a growing complacency amongst Villa supporters that McLeish will definitely be gone in the summer, but I think this is under-estimating the hubris of the man himself, and the total ineptitude of Lerner and his best mate, Faulkner.

I can see us limping to another two draws against an out-of-form Spurs and an already 'on their summer holidays' Norwich. Couple this with the fans suddenly going quiet on the protest front and I can just see what they'll be thinking come the end of the season:

Mcleish will think that he was, in fact, right all along, and the fans' vitriol during the Bolton game was merely a reaction to us throwing the lead away. If there's no murmur of how much we hate him at the Spurs game then this will just add weight to his strange belief that the abuse was a spontaneous reaction rather than a release of built up frustration/hate.

He'll also probably start to think he CAN actually still do a job for us because we'd have been only beaten once in the last five games.

As for Lerner and Faulkner - they'll probably think the same, and use our amazing run of one loss in five games as enough reason to give him another crack of the whip.

He's a wounded animal at the moment, but he's the type who would go away, let time be a healer, and then come out fighting again. I, for one, will not allow him the chance and will be there to finish him off at the Spurs game.

Agreed. The fight isn't over yet. Not until he's gone can we sit back and relax.

[foreveryoung]

**** him. Our season has been a nightmare with him and his bollocks football. He is a big boy with a big salary, he will get over it once the season ends and be back at his Spanish Villa. Some of you guys need to understand, before the Bolton game we wasn't noticed as pissed off fans, now the media are standing up and supporting us. Shall we be quiet at the Tottenham game, maybe during, but at the end we need to protest and slag the life out of him just to be confirm to the board and media we don't want him next season. Be quiet and we stay up, the media and board may be thinking all is forgiven for keeping us up.

Reference his family being at the Bolton game. Did he not know a loss would result in abuse, if anything he should never have invited his family and only has himself to blame. If rumour is true his wife never wanted him to take the Villa job and is now fuming he is even considering staying another season.

[Voinjama]

Mantis why are you so certain Mcleish will leave?

I cant be bothered to read all the pages in the thread, thats why I am asking here.

[villapark1]

Whatever the outcome, if he is to be sacked or leaves at the end of the season it needs to be sooner rather than later... it needs to happen straight after the Norwich game or within a day or 2, so a new manager can be approched and he gets time and a full preseason to plan next season and develop his own team.

There is no point dragging it out.Get him out ASAP so we can start to prep for next season, Euros or no Euros, Villa need to start preparing for next season the minute this one ends.

[KHV]

Sorry but the abuse is vile, grown men within earshot of kids calling him a word removed etc etc.

Fine, if you think that's ok, go for it

over the years I am sure you have never joined the holte in end in singing "my old mans to be a city fan, I said bollocks your a c***"????

moaning about swearing at football. get a grip.

are you sepp blatter

[Mantis]

Mantis why are you so certain Mcleish will leave?

I cant be bothered to read all the pages in the thread, thats why I am asking here.

Why are you singling me out? If you'd actually read my posts you'd see that I'm far less certain than many.

[Big_John_10]

There's a growing complacency amongst Villa supporters that McLeish will definitely be gone in the summer, but I think this is under-estimating the hubris of the man himself, and the total ineptitude of Lerner and his best mate, Faulkner.

I can see us limping to another two draws against an out-of-form Spurs and an already 'on their summer holidays' Norwich. Couple this with the fans suddenly going quiet on the protest front and I can just see what they'll be thinking come the end of the season:

Mcleish will think that he was, in fact, right all along, and the fans' vitriol during the Bolton game was merely a reaction to us throwing the lead away. If there's no murmur of how much we hate him at the Spurs game then this will just add weight to his strange belief that the abuse was a spontaneous reaction rather than a release of built up frustration/hate.

He'll also probably start to think he CAN actually still do a job for us because we'd have been only beaten once in the last five games.

As for Lerner and Faulkner - they'll probably think the same, and use our amazing run of one loss in five games as enough reason to give him another crack of the whip.

He's a wounded animal at the moment, but he's the type who would go away, let time be a healer, and then come out fighting again. I, for one, will not allow him the chance and will be there to finish him off at the Spurs game.

This is exactly how I feel.

I really do think villa fans will just accept it.

[P3te]

I am not excusing the abuse but maybe if he was more of a man about things, stood up and took the blame, people wouldn't see him as a lying screw up who is going to cost us our premiership status, he makes people angry by being an idiot and putting the blame on everything including god.

Thing is, despite all this people STILL think he's "a nice man". It's ridiculous. I don't know him personally but as Villa manager he's not been very nice at all.

he's not done anything that would label him as not nice to be fair. nor do i believe for a second this nonsense that he's a liar. it's the strangest accusation ive ever seen bandied about at a football manager

the guy is definitely deluded and actually believes he's a good manager, but that's self belief, no matter how misguided. the fact that so many people genuinely believe he's intentionally lying about all this stuff is worrying

[pacbuddies]

Some fans on here have decided that there is no need to protest at the Spurs game as McLeish will be gone after the Norwich game and we all need to get behind the team and support them during this time of need.

I agree with supporting the team for the whole 90 minutes against Spurs and Norwich. I have done this at every game attended for a number of seasons and I won't change now.

However, I will participate in any protest or anti McLeish chanting because he has not gone.

Any protests and chants, as much as they will be noticeably aimed at McLeish (because he is the man that is in charge of the team and tactics and he is there at every game) are also indirectly aimed at Lerner and Faulkner because they made the appointment despite being told by the fans that it was most definitely wrong for footballing reasons (nothing to do with him being ex SHA) and they ignored the sound advice then and have been ever since.

Anyone who trusts Lerner and Faulkner to do the right thing and sack McLeish if he somehow manages to keep us up might just want to think back to the summer of 2011 and ask themselves 'Did they listen to the fans, did they have any trust or regard for our very valid comments and input' and the answer you will find is - NO.

Do whatever you want and feel is right on 6th May because each one of us is different and each one of us will believe that the chosen way is the right way.

The critical things are:

1) Villa survive in the Premiership;

2) Alex McLeish leaves after the Norwich game at the latest;

3) Lerner and Faulkner are left under no illusion as to the gross error of their ways and the need to listen to, respect and regard the fans in the future;

4) Lerner and Faulkner must get specialist advice and guidance to ensure that the next appointment of a Villa manager is the very best that they can do in the market place with the resources available; and

5) Lerner and Faulkner must review and revise the plan for continual improvement of AVFC over the next 5-10 years.

UTV and whichever way you go may it be the right way.

[Dodgyknees]

McLeish WILL go. Relegation will see to that.

[Dodgyknees]

Can I just say, I am not being negative to wind people up, I said at the beginning of the season to a good friend of mine that AM would take us down. I spoke to Rangers fans who said his football was the worst they had ever seen, I remembered having to turn off Blose games because they were absolutely dire, I just knew it would end up like this.

But it does not change my undying true love for this club, I think Villa every day, I just find it very hard to enjoy things at the moment because of McLeish.

It doesn't stop my love. It is just hard to describe.

[darthsimo]

He does not seem interested now. So now we have a shit manager not caring! Get ride now. Kevin Mac can look after things for the last 2 games, and he'll win 1

[Dodgyknees]

Or lose one 6-0