TheMelvillan Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) got one hell of a shot on him from distance and with very little backlift which always looks cool. i reckon he will clearing in the woods in a couple of worldies this season at some point Edited December 20, 2016 by TheMelvillan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) 40 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Indeed DCJonah, not all good quality players show hard work and endeavour, I think Kodjia does, he looks a one off, I don't know where he's been all of his career, do you? He's clearly a late bloomer. We should sign cheap hard workers to lighten the work load of our flashy players and therefore achieve a balance in the side, it's a team game!!! I know exactly what you are alluding to even if it has been difficult to explain. If I have read it right?......I think you are right. buying players is essential....but you can't always buy soul.....you have to develop it.....some of these durable journeymen can give you that. Edited December 20, 2016 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 2 hours ago, TRO said: I know exactly what you are alluding to even if it has been difficult to explain. If I have read it right?......I think you are right. buying players is essential....but you can't always buy soul.....you have to develop it.....some of these durable journeymen can give you that. Exactly, well phrased, something that I am clearly incapable of for some uknown reason but at the same time, you get the gist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 On 19/12/2016 at 18:30, sir_gary_cahill said: No proof to this effect, when he was subbed the other day, he was almost smirking, disgraceful I need this to be explained, SGC. It sounds like a criticism, which surprises me, coming as it does from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) On 21/12/2016 at 14:46, AntrimBlack said: I need this to be explained, SGC. It sounds like a criticism, which surprises me, coming as it does from you. It was a very light smirk, did anyone else see it? I'm never critical in life mate but I didn't like the tone of that smirk when he was substituted, that is all, maybe it was an ironic smirk because he knew he didn't have the best of games, I don't know, I am guessing Edited December 24, 2016 by sir_gary_cahill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 4 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: It was a very light smirk, did anyone else see it? I'm never critical in life mate but I didn't like the tone of that smirk when he was substituted, that is al Maybe another player said " its going to be you" we can only speculate, it could be a million or one things. I don't care for him as a player, but I couldn't castigate him for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, TRO said: Maybe another player said " its going to be you" we can only speculate, it could be a million or one things. I don't care for him as a player, but I couldn't castigate him for that Haha ok fair enough TRO, why don't you care for him as a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted December 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Haha ok fair enough TRO, why don't you care for him as a player? Probably because he is a very average player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Probably because he is a very average player. Average players don't score headers like he did a few weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted December 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2016 Just now, sir_gary_cahill said: Average players don't score headers like he did a few weeks ago Average players usually go a few weeks (or more) without doing something worth mentioning. Lowton scored that winning goal, that goal was amazing, however Lowton is an average player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 17 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Average players usually go a few weeks (or more) without doing something worth mentioning. Lowton scored that winning goal, that goal was amazing, however Lowton is an average player Gary Gardner is far from an average player, when he was younger he was mentioned and played in the same England youth side as Shelvey and Wilshere. Those 2 are full England internationals now, Gardner has had 2 career threatening injuries but has bounced back terrifically Lowton is far from average, he is playing well for Burnley in the Premier League now, that goal v Stoke was amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Just signed a new deal. Not sure what to make of that. If we're pushing for promotion I can't see him having any game time if we succeed. It's not like he's tearing up the championship is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, theboyangel said: Just signed a new deal. Not sure what to make of that. If we're pushing for promotion I can't see him having any game time if we succeed. It's not like he's tearing up the championship is it? I'm sure the club will have weighed up the balance between his wages verses his benefit to the squad and/or future sale value. Even though some may not rate GG, I think most would be annoyed if we didn't get a fee for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Don't see a great future for him with us, based on his performances. However it's a smart decision by the club, he's a sellable asset and if he doesn't pull up any trees I can still see us getting a decent amount of money from a Championship side for him in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 So we're forcing Tshibola out, while offering this waste of space a new contract? Can't believe this club at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Must be the greatest trainer in the world! This could also be to protect his potential sale value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Supervillan78 said: So we're forcing Tshibola out, while offering this waste of space a new contract? Can't believe this club at times. you probably can't believe it because the bolded isn't actually happening 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tismyk Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, Supervillan78 said: So we're forcing Tshibola out, while offering this waste of space a new contract? Can't believe this club at times. Ever been to VP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 On 21/12/2016 at 20:22, sir_gary_cahill said: Gary Gardner is far from an average player, when he was younger he was mentioned and played in the same England youth side as Shelvey and Wilshere. Those 2 are full England internationals now, Gardner has had 2 career threatening injuries but has bounced back terrifically Lowton is far from average, he is playing well for Burnley in the Premier League now, that goal v Stoke was amazing I think this is the crux of the matter regarding younger players/prospects at our club, how many "superstars in the making" have we dug up in the last, say, 20 years? Off the top of my head, Luke and Stefan Moore, Nathan Delfouneso, Gabby Agbonlahor (granted he has provided a few seasons of good performances a long time ago), Graham Burke, Andi Wiemann, Isaiah Osbourne and the list is probably 3 times that length with some googling, I'd put Gary Gardner in this list as well. He is an average player in my humble opinion, he was almost a man amongst boys in our youth set up because he was a big unit as a teenager and bossed games quite easily. I'd give him this full season to step up or jog on because barring the header against SHA he's done bugger all to impact games (if you'd ever seen him for our youth team you'd understand mine and a few others frustrations with him), but I'd just wish people wouldn't hype young players coming through when they've done nothing in the grand scheme of things to merit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 If he was an average player, why would we give him a new 4 year contract at the age of 24 years old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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