dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, mattyvilla said: " Had he not come through the academy he would have been moved on some time ago " , read the thread That wasn't the comment I'm responding to. Read the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I get the feeling that his confidence somewhat crumbles when he plays for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Does Makelele count? Maybe he could be coaxed out of retirement I think you know the answer to that SGC but we have 2 choices Strive for betterment and respectfully illustrate the shortfalls in an effort to improve the team. or wallow in mediocrity and applaud every win with total disregard for improvement and a live for today, sod tomorrow attitude. I am all for supporting the team, but the players have to make an effort to improve themselves too.....not just turn up with the same performances as last year and imply that's it. i have watched some players and they have improved.....others have not. But still expect to be selected. IF we are going to get out if this league, we all need to raise our expectations in some individual players. Edited December 19, 2016 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Craig Gardner is much better all round player than Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 19, 2016 On 10/12/2016 at 23:18, Mantis said: Behind Westwood for me. There are at least some things Westwood does well but I just don't see anything that Gardner does particularly well? Yep. He's rubbish. Hopefully there's still room for improvement there, but so far he's shown absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 14 hours ago, TRO said: Craig Gardner is much better all round player than Gary. He's had a better career but he's been more fortunate. Gary was the far more talented coming through our youth system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Yep. He's rubbish. Hopefully there's still room for improvement there, but so far he's shown absolutely nothing. He can head it pretty well different players bring different attributes, Gary Gardner is like Tim Cahill, he arrives late in the box, finishes very well but I don't think he can dictate play from midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, sir_gary_cahill said: He can head it pretty well different players bring different attributes, Gary Gardner is like Tim Cahill, he arrives late in the box, finishes very well but I don't think he can dictate play from midfield Yep. Heading is much better than Westwood. Terrible player but we seem to get better results when Westwood doesn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Yep. Heading is much better than Westwood. Terrible player but we seem to get better results when Westwood doesn't play. Would you sell Westwood DCJonah? Personally, I wouldn't, he's been at the club for 4 years now, still a good player for this football club 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Would you sell Westwood DCJonah? Personally, I wouldn't, he's been at the club for 4 years now, still a good player for this football club I'd give him away for free. I think he's a terrible player for us and easily one of the worst midfield players in this league. Him and Gardner shouldn't even be options on the bench after January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I'd give him away for free. I think he's a terrible player for us and easily one of the worst midfield players in this league. Him and Gardner shouldn't even be options on the bench after January. So, you'd prefer to just buy our way out of the league? I think the current squad is good enough to get promoted via the play offs, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Just now, sir_gary_cahill said: So, you'd prefer to just buy our way out of the league? I think the current squad is good enough to get promoted via the play offs, do you? Would I prefer to buy better players? Yes of course I would. Why wouldn't I? I think some parts of the squad are, I think relying on Westwood and Gardner would be a mistake when both clearly aren't good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Just now, DCJonah said: Would I prefer to buy better players? Yes of course I would. Why wouldn't I? I think some parts of the squad are, I think relying on Westwood and Gardner would be a mistake when both clearly aren't good enough. I don't want to buy promotion, do you? I want to earn it through hard work and endeavour. I think both are easily good enough for where we are right now, that's my opinion, everyone's different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Just now, sir_gary_cahill said: I don't want to buy promotion, do you? I want to earn it through hard work and endeavour. I think both are easily good enough for where we are right now, that's my opinion, everyone's different I don't really get this. What should we do sign cheap hard workers to make it more of an achievement if we do it? Kodjia cost a fortune, does he not show hard work and endeavour? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 21 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Would you sell Westwood DCJonah? Personally, I wouldn't, he's been at the club for 4 years now, still a good player for this football club I dare you to say that in the Westwood thread ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted December 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I don't want to buy promotion, do you? I want to earn it through hard work and endeavour. I think both are easily good enough for where we are right now, that's my opinion, everyone's different I dont understand, you dont want to buy promotion...... if thats so we'd better sell Kodjia, McCormack, Jedinak, Tsihbola, Chester, Elphick etc Does that mean we have to use the same players in CL because we don't want to buy our way to beating Barcelona in the final. Its standard practice to buy and sell players. I dont think if we sell Westwood or anyone for that matter and buy someone else, that the manager maybe thinks can do a better job that it would in anyway tarnish any success we may enjoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 17 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I don't want to buy promotion, do you? I want to earn it through hard work and endeavour. I think both are easily good enough for where we are right now, that's my opinion, everyone's different If we do get promoted, we've already bought it. As of now, our midfield isn't good enough to get it though. We don't have to spend a fortune to improve that, you're right, but we should spend whatever is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Oh dear, still creating controversy wherever I go, some things never change eh, guys? Just keep it coming at me, can't get enough of me, eh? A source of 'entertainment'? Emphasis on the inverted commas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) Difference is I'll still be on here in 60 years time, some not all won't be Edited December 20, 2016 by sir_gary_cahill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 42 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I don't really get this. What should we do sign cheap hard workers to make it more of an achievement if we do it? Kodjia cost a fortune, does he not show hard work and endeavour? Indeed DCJonah, not all good quality players show hard work and endeavour, I think Kodjia does, he looks a one off, I don't know where he's been all of his career, do you? He's clearly a late bloomer. We should sign cheap hard workers to lighten the work load of our flashy players and therefore achieve a balance in the side, it's a team game!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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