VillaCas Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 21 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Grealish may not be as good as the hype but let's not pick him and then expect him to track back covering full backs I can't agree. If he was Ronaldo I wouldn't expect him to track back but he's not - he's not even Carles Gil, in fact he's not even Stephen ireland Internet reports that Spurs, WHU and Arsenal (!) are interested in him - i'd be staggered if someone was mad enough to buy him. Anything over £5m and I'd snap their hand off (in fact make that anything over £3m). Another Barry Bannan - He'll end up in the Championship (probably with us lol). A top ten side can get better quality 'luxury' players and a bottom half team can't afford a place for a work-shy drifter One mitigating factor is his style of play. When on song it can look lovely laconically stroking the ball about and drifting around the pitch. When your team is struggling that style of play looks lazy and couldn't care less. That said, I'd have a lot more sympathy for him if all the other indicators pointed to a kid trying his best to regain his form but all I see is a self-obsessed, over-indulged billy big bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 but for some reason everyone clings onto hope that he's gonna turn into a superstar simply because he's a villa lad. No. Indeed no. It has nothing to do with him being a Villa lad and everything to do with what I've seen him do with a football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Not that I particularly liked him anyway but his head went when Sherwood got sacked. He ain't quite 'gash' as someone put it but he'll do a job for us in the Championship next season (if we go). Edited January 5, 2016 by Warnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 On five live yesterday, Joey Barton was talking about him. He was saying that he is one of the most comfortable people on the ball he has ever seen. Everyone knows he needs to work harder, but to say he is crap is an over exaggeration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 8 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: On five live yesterday, Joey Barton was talking about him. He was saying that he is one of the most comfortable people on the ball he has ever seen. Everyone knows he needs to work harder, but to say he is crap is an over exaggeration. I would say that failing to work harder when "everyone knows" you need to, IS crap. It's attitude. Playing in the championship won't change attitude. BTW, I would also say that he needs to stop slowing the attack and find more incisive passes, but when your attitude is bad you can't really learn anything. He will either grow up and change his attitude, or leave the club that fired his beloved manager and grow up there, or he will always be a wasted potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 On the attitidue vs talent debate - I'd take someone with the right attitude and less talent than a hugely talented primadonna every day of the week. I'd rather have James Milner than Ashley Young. Harry Kane vs Wayne Rooney etc etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 A few teams want him on loan apparently, hopefully he goes in January so we can put someone in the squad that gives a toss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I believe he gives a toss - he's got that Berbatov casually deliberate air about him though which doesn't necessarily translate well when a team is struggling. As for loaning him out it could break him. It shouldn't be seen as a punishment but I absolutely agree he needs to change his attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 37 minutes ago, Eames said: I'd rather have James Milner than Ashley Young. Harry Kane vs Wayne Rooney etc etc you have probably used 2 horrible examples though. Rooney and Young are very hardworkers and at Villa, Young was just as hardworking as Milner by covering his full back 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: you have probably used 2 horrible examples though. Rooney and Young are very hardworkers and at Villa, Young was just as hardworking as Milner by covering his full back Possibly but it was clearly sufficient to illustrate the point which you understood perfectly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 20 hours ago, VillaCas said: I can't agree. If he was Ronaldo I wouldn't expect him to track back but he's not - he's not even Carles Gil, in fact he's not even Stephen ireland Internet reports that Spurs, WHU and Arsenal (!) are interested in him - i'd be staggered if someone was mad enough to buy him. Anything over £5m and I'd snap their hand off (in fact make that anything over £3m). Another Barry Bannan - He'll end up in the Championship (probably with us lol). A top ten side can get better quality 'luxury' players and a bottom half team can't afford a place for a work-shy drifter One mitigating factor is his style of play. When on song it can look lovely laconically stroking the ball about and drifting around the pitch. When your team is struggling that style of play looks lazy and couldn't care less. That said, I'd have a lot more sympathy for him if all the other indicators pointed to a kid trying his best to regain his form but all I see is a self-obsessed, over-indulged billy big bollocks I'm kind of hoping Tim Sherwood finds a new job soon, because he seemed to think he was worth £60m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The Leeds manager said he'd spoken to us and we said he wasn't for sale, and wouldn't be leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I think if he doesnt get too big for his boots (which i think he will) he will be akey player for us in championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissmith921 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I'd loan him to the Championship if we're not going to play him regular - just to see if he can cut it there. This sort of thing we need to know for next season - who can and who can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney_avfc Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Garde has said today that he is not going on loan! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, Barney_avfc said: Garde has said today that he is not going on loan! I think that's a mistake personally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) On 06/01/2016 at 10:43, Eames said: On the attitidue vs talent debate - I'd take someone with the right attitude and less talent than a hugely talented primadonna every day of the week. I'd rather have James Milner than Ashley Young. Harry Kane vs Wayne Rooney etc etc There's not much sacrifice with talent there. when there's a big difference in talent I'd still go for the talent than someone who just works hard. I'd have Grealish over Weimman for example. Edited January 7, 2016 by DCJonah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just now, DCJonah said: There's not much sacrifice with talent there. I'd rather Grealish than weimman, when there's a big difference in talent I'd still go for the talent than someone who just works hard. On 06/01/2016 at 11:27, Eames said: Possibly but it was clearly sufficient to illustrate the point which you understood perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissmith921 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I think that's a mistake personally. I agree. Not playing regularly - we need to see what he can do in that division, because he's not going to be a Premiership player next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, Eames said: I didn't say I didn't understand it. Was just offering a different point of view. When both players are very talented then I'd probably go the same as you and pick the harder worker. When the talent gap is bigger then I'd rather go with the talent over work rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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