chappy Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 4 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: If England are going to persist with the ‘bazball’ approach then I guess there will be occasional scores of 150 or less, hopefully only occasional though, any more regularity and it’ll be back to drawing boards again. I’ve got tickets for day 4 of the next test (Old Trafford), chances of it even reaching day 4? You might get to see Jonny et al chasing down 450 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: If England are going to persist with the ‘bazball’ approach then I guess there will be occasional scores of 150 or less, hopefully only occasional though, any more regularity and it’ll be back to drawing boards again. I’ve got tickets for day 4 of the next test (Old Trafford), chances of it even reaching day 4? Not sure BazBall was the problem this time. First day was horrendous batting conditions against a great bowling lineup and we’d have likely ripped through SA if they’d batted first. I *think* I’m right in saying that Old Trafford is more batsman friendly so you should be ok… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 19, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 19, 2022 Right then, knock these last two over, pop in a quick 450 and we're favourites no? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 19, 2022 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Right then, knock these last two over, pop in a quick 450 and we're favourites no? No. I would agree but there is just one tiny flaw in your thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Gone to shit again then have we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 All for aggressive cricket, but what is the thinking behind Broad trying to launch literally everything for 6. Lots of dumb cricket today. I like BazBall but if it’s just insanely trying to play t20 shots against star bowlers, I don’t really get the point. Why not pick a bowler to target, or have spells of blocking it a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 England have now faced 490 balls in this match. Unless they can face another 18, it will be their third shortest match as batting team in a home Test in innings they've completed. didn't make those 18 balls. It's **** dumb cricket, a complete lack of respect to the world class bowlers we were facing. They only scored 326 in their one innings and they've completed an innings victory. Pathetic, mind-numbingly pathetic defeat. 315/20 we were from not even 90 overs. Positive cricket - great. Brainless cricket - not fun for anyone involved. I hope South Africa, carry on and win the last two matches just so that thick idiot Stokes cuts down on his meaningless stupid chutzpah speeches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, KentVillan said: All for aggressive cricket, but what is the thinking behind Broad trying to launch literally everything for 6. Lots of dumb cricket today. I like BazBall but if it’s just insanely trying to play t20 shots against star bowlers, I don’t really get the point. Why not pick a bowler to target, or have spells of blocking it a bit? Too late by then though. I just look at the difference between the two bowling attacks. Anderson and Broad have had their day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 England... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 When it works it’ll be spectacularly good. When it fails it’ll be spectacularly bad. I can live with it if it’s in equal measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milfner Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share Posted August 19, 2022 Bazball has its place. But I genuinely think it only works when counterattacking/chasing big scores. We saw that no one chased down 300+ by just simply trying to occupy the crease so the aggressiveness against New Zealand was absolutely fine and justified. Continuing to try and slog it out the ground when four or five down (particularly in the first innings & when batting firs) is just totally stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: When it works it’ll be spectacularly good. When it fails it’ll be spectacularly bad. I can live with it if it’s in equal measure. Yeah it's a bit like the white ball team would throw in the occasional abysmal performance but win loads so it's worth continuing with the policy. The jury is still out though, the bits I saw it didn't seem to be that reckless, albeit I didn't see today's innings. Ultimately it's still Root fails twice = defeat, whatever the tactics are and we wouldn't have won the first 4 Tests of the summer under previous management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: When it works it’ll be spectacularly good. When it fails it’ll be spectacularly bad. I can live with it if it’s in equal measure. I’m not sure what the long term plan is to be honest. The test team has always lacked a bit of aggression, always valued the Boycott approach of protecting their wickets more than keeping the scoreboard ticking over. The modern game has changed a lot and that mindset needs to change with it, but a 20/20 approach will never work in test cricket, they’re almost completely different sports. When I look at the great Aussie teams from a couple a couple of decades ago, Waugh, Gilchrist, Langer, Hayden etc, all of these guys were very aggressive players that could take a game away in a session, and if the top order failed they had guys coming in at 8/9 that could easily add another 60/70 runs. The difference is that they all played the percentages, leave/block the good balls, and go after everything that deserved to be hit. Jo Root is the only player we have imo that plays in a similar way. Is the plan to simply change the mindset of test batters long term, adding extra aggression and working slowly on getting the balance like the Aussie example I gave above? Or are we going forward with the much more basic plan of using a 1 day mindset in Tests? I hope it’s the former because the latter will fail more often than it succeeds. Edited August 20, 2022 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 21, 2022 Stokes has said they're not going to change the way they play just because they got annihilated. All sounds very Bielsa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Hope SA annihilate them in the next two tests. Good chance they will tbf as their bowling attack is outstanding. Nortje and Rabada in particular so dangerous. And they have an opener who is not garbage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Aggressive cricket is fine. Reckless and braindead cricket isn't. Its the only way we can play as the ECB have destroyed red ball cricket in this country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Rodders said: Hope SA annihilate them in the next two tests. Good chance they will tbf as their bowling attack is outstanding. Nortje and Rabada in particular so dangerous. And they have an opener who is not garbage. Why would you hope for England to get annihilated?! Surely it would be better if it worked and England annihilated other teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2022 What Bazball needs is one player who isn't bazballing - just one supreme blocker, someone who can score nine off a hundred balls and be quite happy about it. Where is the Chris Tavare of this generation? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 25, 2022 Christ on a bike. South Africa are 93 for 7. England could be all out for 10 on this basis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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