thabucks Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 6 minutes ago, nick76 said: The club aren’t going to buy up the houses, redevelop the stand just so the fans have a bit more room and a bit more facilities. Seriously this is fantasy stuff. Yep all talk about redevelopment nor stadia is just pure fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 26 Moderator Share Posted March 26 11 minutes ago, thabucks said: A true multi use stadium with a retractable roof and pitch would mean concerts and other non grass events do not have to be held within a four week summer window … it’s just a fantasy proposal I admit How many of these events do you see taking place per year at say, the Principality Stadium in Cardiff? A venue that hosts about 5 -10 matches a year in its main reason to exist, has a retractable roof and all that gubbins and do they host concerts during the two International Rugby windows in their calendar. I'll give you a clue, about 7 or 8 in a much bigger window and No they don’t . Then consider how many acts of the magnitude required actually tour in any given year (some out of not many) Its a fantasy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, thabucks said: Yep all talk about redevelopment nor stadia is just pure fantasy. You said 16 minutes ago, thabucks said: What about the cramped fans in the Witton stand - do they not deserve safer and better facilities, or we just ignore that stand? Thats why buying houses has been proposed so it can be made fit for purpose which would increase revenue per seat That is fantasy New stadium is currently fantasy as the club have said they aren’t looking to move from Villa Park. Some redevelopment to add more seats is what they have said. If they have put North Stand redevelopment on hold, what makes you think a whole redevelopment of Witton is going to happen including house purchases? It doesn’t add up does it!!! It’s just going to be reconfiguration and maybe some small build in the corners somehow by all indications. So yes, new stadia or major redevelopment is pure fantasy because the club have said so because they said we aren’t moving from Villa Park and the North Stand major redevelopment has been put on hold. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 It is just a bit of fun guys. At the moment we are just getting a polished up VP in the coming seasons, it is what's on the pitch that matters anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted March 26 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, nick76 said: and massive debt and interest payments for a very long time. Not if another of NWSE companies pay for it and lease it to AVFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted March 26 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Also cons - the perfect site (the one that was once earmarked for a new national stadium) is gone to HS2, the sites on the city side of the site are already in plan for a huge housing development as the NEC site is owned by the worlds biggest landlord, Blackstone - so any site at the NEC wouldn't be within easy walking distance of the train station and would require new roads, new car parking and potentially a new motorway junction - we often talk about the NEC as if it's an easy site with a perfect pocket of connected land; it's not. If the land top the east of the NEC is for HS1, what is the land east of Middle Bickenhall Lane earmarked for? From the satellite pics it looks like industrial land (so potentially available to purchase.) Room enough for a state of the art stadium and you could have some sort of Wembley/Villa way paved walk path/bridge to and from the HS2 station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted March 26 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26 15 hours ago, meregreen said: Building costs do not count towards FFP anyway. I know. My point was that we wouldn't have the billion pound debt and interest that Spurs now have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted March 26 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26 56 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: It is just a bit of fun guys. At the moment we are just getting a polished up VP in the coming seasons, it is what's on the pitch that matters anyway. It's fun to speculate for sure. It's like the transfer thread - we know 98% of it'a not happening because you can't have a new stadium and loan Januzaj 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 26 Moderator Share Posted March 26 6 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: If the land top the east of the NEC is for HS1, what is the land east of Middle Bickenhall Lane earmarked for? From the satellite pics it looks like industrial land (so potentially available to purchase.) Room enough for a state of the art stadium and you could have some sort of Wembley/Villa way paved walk path/bridge to and from the HS2 station. The triangle between the M42, Coventry Road and A452 is HS2 and some surrounding building and infrastructure work - there won't be enough left in that triangle for a stadium - I guess you could look at the land to the East of Melbicks - but that's a huge landfill site with a hundred foot high hill of garbage under it, it'd cost millions to make it useable. So I think the best bet would be the patch where the A445 gets to the M6, with Packington Lane down it's left hand side - the problem then is that the pitch would be almost 2 miles from Birmingham International and you'd have to find a way to cross HS2 to get there - the HS2 station itself would be well over a mile away. It's not as easy as it once was - the NEC group has some quite ambitions plans to fill the whole thing with housing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, thabucks said: A true multi use stadium with a retractable roof and pitch would mean concerts and other non grass events do not have to be held within a four week summer window … it’s just a fantasy proposal I admit Big cash cow now is getting NFL games, Spurs and London in general in pole position for that given the success of having them at Wembley for last 15 years. Don't know if it would be possible for Wes and Heck's connection to get one over to play a match here but we'd need big improvements around VP as the American football fans want more than just a match to watch so different fan culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 4 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: The triangle between the M42, Coventry Road and A452 is HS2 and some surrounding building and infrastructure work - there won't be enough left in that triangle for a stadium - I guess you could look at the land to the East of Melbicks - but that's a huge landfill site with a hundred foot high hill of garbage under it, it'd cost millions to make it useable. So I think the best bet would be the patch where the A445 gets to the M6, with Packington Lane down it's left hand side - the problem then is that the pitch would be almost 2 miles from Birmingham International and you'd have to find a way to cross HS2 to get there - the HS2 station itself would be well over a mile away. It's not as easy as it once was - the NEC group has some quite ambitions plans to fill the whole thing with housing. Where Resorts World is now would've been an ideal place to put in a new stadium. 10 minute walk from Train/Bus and also big car park right next to it. You'd want similar next to a HS2 station (think West Ham) rather than putting it all the way in Coleshill which wouldn't be great. Newcastle are in a similar position to us so interested what they do in next decade. Not as simple as to stick another tier up as pretty sure there are listed Georgian buildings right behind the touchline stand. Maybe they could stick another tier on the Gallowgate but think the Saudis would prefer moving to a new 70-80k stadium but again it's finding the land and then selling it to their fanbase as it wouldn't be anywhere near as close to the city centre which is a USP for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 7 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Not if another of NWSE companies pay for it and lease it to AVFC. I’m not talking about FFP but in reality who pays for it, either NSWE fully fund it, which as generous as they are, that’s next level cost, or we(AVFC) get charged for it however it is charged. There are only two parties that can pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted March 27 VT Supporter Share Posted March 27 11 hours ago, bickster said: How many of these events do you see taking place per year at say, the Principality Stadium in Cardiff? A venue that hosts about 5 -10 matches a year in its main reason to exist, has a retractable roof and all that gubbins and do they host concerts during the two International Rugby windows in their calendar. I'll give you a clue, about 7 or 8 in a much bigger window and No they don’t . Then consider how many acts of the magnitude required actually tour in any given year (some out of not many) Its a fantasy No disrespect to Cardiff, Birmingham is in the middle of the country with a huge catchment area, the largest in the country for 100 miles, (London, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds , Bristol all within that radius) There's a place for a stadium in the middle of the country that can host national events, everyone travelling down to London to watch play offs, semi finals is going to date really quickly if their travelling past a stadium that can host these events and host them well. It will take some vision but all great things do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 27 Moderator Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, tinker said: No disrespect to Cardiff, Birmingham is in the middle of the country with a huge catchment area, the largest in the country for 100 miles, (London, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds , Bristol all within that radius) There's a place for a stadium in the middle of the country that can host national events, everyone travelling down to London to watch play offs, semi finals is going to date really quickly if their travelling past a stadium that can host these events and host them well. It will take some vision but all great things do. 1. The volume of these events do not exist 2. Birmingham's catchment area is no bigger than Cardiff's and Manchester is much better placed for a date on a 2/3 date tour by a massive international artist (usually London / Manchester / Glasgow). We aren't in the middle of the country when you consider London's catchment area, in fact Birmingham is pretty much in London's catchment area. 3. We're also in an era where many international artists are skipping the UK completely because... Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 10 hours ago, VillaChris said: Big cash cow now is getting NFL games, Spurs and London in general in pole position for that given the success of having them at Wembley for last 15 years. Don't know if it would be possible for Wes and Heck's connection to get one over to play a match here but we'd need big improvements around VP as the American football fans want more than just a match to watch so different fan culture. Not going to happen though is it? Why would anyone travel to Birmingham to go watch American football? Not enough people travel in for actual football as it stands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted March 27 VT Supporter Share Posted March 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, bickster said: 1. The volume of these events do not exist 2. Birmingham's catchment area is no bigger than Cardiff's and Manchester is much better placed for a date on a 2/3 date tour by a massive international artist (usually London / Manchester / Glasgow). We aren't in the middle of the country when you consider London's catchment area, in fact Birmingham is pretty much in London's catchment area. 3. We're also in an era where many international artists are skipping the UK completely because... Brexit Population center of the UK is, surprisingly, Leicestershire. Its not really music I was relating to tbh, football and sports events would be the main area. But obviously music could fit in and if artists aren't going to visit the UK that often then maybe its better to visit one central location that can better suit the whole country. Villa Park is not going to work long term, it's struggling now and revenue generated from 40k fans is small, a few burgers stalls and pint in a plastic glass isn't going to push us. Edited March 27 by tinker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 06/08/2019 at 13:57, sheepyvillian said: Can you imagine a purpose built stadium in the middle of Longbridge ? Just the thought is enough . I think, out in the region of BMH and the Belfry, would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 27 Moderator Share Posted March 27 26 minutes ago, tinker said: Population center of the UK is, surprisingly, Leicestershire. Its not really music I was relating to tbh, football and sports events would be the main area. But obviously music could fit in and if artists aren't going to visit the UK that often then maybe its better to visit one central location that can better suit the whole country. Villa Park is not going to work long term, it's struggling now and revenue generated from 40k fans is small, a few burgers stalls and pint in a plastic glass isn't going to push us. London or Birmingham, London will win 99% of the time. Birmingham is an hour from London by train. Rapid cross country transport is Londoncentric. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted March 27 VT Supporter Share Posted March 27 34 minutes ago, TRO said: I think, out in the region of BMH and the Belfry, would be great. Me too, apart from the issue of the trains. HS2 is going basically through there, but I don't imagine it will be stopping nearby, and that's obviously a long way off in the future anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 14 hours ago, nick76 said: Why do we need to buy houses? We can get most of it from North Stand proposal (currently on hold) plus some other adjustments like a couple of the corners filled in (which Heck is apparently looking at at the moment). No need to buy some of the housing around the ground. If we stop there, we don't, true. Any expansion on the Witton Lane side would require it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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