meregreen Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Trophy cabinet full of “qualifications” would be a sad sight. FA Cup being paraded on an open top bus in front of thousands at Victoria square, before being shown at Villa Park, now that’s the thing dreams are made of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, meregreen said: If “romance in football is dead”, then football is dead. Agreed. I'm not quite ready to consider myself a consumer of products produced by Aston Villa Football Club Ltd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 I would previously have said to win a cup, but some have made valid arguments for top 4 and Champions League qualification. Hopefully if we can cement a place a the top table then our chances of winning a trophy will improve as we can bring in better players, nothing is guaranteed though, just look at Spurs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Trophy and not a second's hesitation. Spurs made the CL a number of times, have had some of the World's finest players in their squad... for what? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Trophy and not a second's hesitation. Spurs made the CL a number of times, have had some of the World's finest players in their squad... for what? Spurs were also rans through the mod 90s and early 00s. They most certainly have not been also rans over the past 15 years or so. We used to be ahead of them most of the pre 2010 period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said: Spurs were also rans through the mod 90s and early 00s. They most certainly have not been also rans over the past 15 years or so. We used to be ahead of them most of the pre 2010 period. That's entirely my point though. For what? In 10 years what are their memories from the 2010s? Losing a final? Beating Arsenal a few times? None of that compares to an actual trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 hours ago, skarroki said: People saying we need champions league as if they haven't been watching football recently. Chelsea spend a billion pounds with no champions league revenue. Leicester win the league and still have money problems and end up relegated after a little go in the champions league. Portsmouth, Bolton, Blackburn examples of EUFA cup to bust. Everton most recent example I think other than Leicester or Newcastle in champions league. It's almost impossible to break in, noone does anything groundbreaking when they do and in order to try maintain that it usually ruins a club. We can be better than that. It might not turn out that way. But if you're saying top 4 cos it means we'll continue to grow then I'm afraid there's no evidence of that in the past and a lot of evidence of the opposite. Unless you count Man City but they've broken rules so many times they gave up counting and they are owned by a country. I think a problem we’re going to face is keeping a hold of players if we aren’t in the champions league though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 31 minutes ago, MrBlack said: I respect that. But neither view is actually nonsense. Can you think of a player we'd only be able to get with champs league football, that wouldn't come to us with only europa league? The likes of Kamara, Torres and Diaby, that were all signed without either tells me we have a lot of pull. I'm not sure there's many beyond their levels we're attracting (or affording) with or without champs league. A maybe more valid concern is Luiz or Martinez potentially wanting to prove themselves in the Champs league. Your final paragraph answers the bold paragraph as one reason of a number of reasons. What I mean is quality players at clubs around us that don’t make CL may favour moving to us because we have CL but wouldn’t consider us if we were in EL or ECL. Or if a player in the summer has a choice between CL Villa or EL Spurs? Compared to EL Villa based in Birmingham or EL Spurs based in London… Or a player playing abroad for a CL club is less likely to move to us not in the CL… There are more reasons but you get my point. I respect your opinion though I don’t quite agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Champions league is just too important to our clubs development. So champions league. But I also believe the FA Cup is a bit of a monkey on our back. Ever since trophy was stolen in the 50s we haven't won it. I feel like winning the FA Cup would usher in a new period of success for Aston Villa. The ECL however is the trophy I feel we have the best chance of winning as almost all of the side in it are team we 'should' be able to beat. Can I be greedy and say all 3?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 58 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: Agreed. I'm not quite ready to consider myself a consumer of products produced by Aston Villa Football Club Ltd. That’s exactly what we all are, whether you’re ready to admit it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted December 1, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) FA Cup without question. It has been devalued in recent years but it is the one English cup that fans can attend, follow and enjoy in their masses. There is no hiding the fact that the European Conference is a poxy competition and CL qualification isn’t winning anything. Edited December 1, 2023 by MikeMcKenna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 I lean towards a trophy because I hate most of the CL teams and never watch it but it would be huge for the club to achieve that I do realise. Also agree that Martinez and Luiz will be off in next few years if we can’t get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Would've gone FA Cup because it's the most romantic option... ...but went for Europa Conference. a] We win a trophy! b] That trophy then guarantees playing in Europe again next season, at a higher level. Obviously we could "just" qualify for Europe via league position, but we don't win anything that way. CL qualification over a trophy is bonkers modern day football tripe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Finishing 4th and winning ECL is absolutely doable 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Finishing 4th and winning ECL is absolutely doable I completely agree. The question seemed to be "one of these only". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Just now, bobzy said: I completely agree. The question seemed to be "one of these only". The poll lets you vote for as many as you want so I did 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Cup no question, and FA Cup because it's been far too long. Obviously I'd be delighted with any of these happening this season. But I'm on the side of winning a competition and lifting a trophy, about those memorable moments, rather than qualifying to have a creditable trip against a higher calibre of european opponents. The CL doesn't interest me too much as most of the clubs have dickwit owners, and unless a game jumps out at me I have no interest in following it, I will do when Villa are in it, but until that I don't care. But I do follow the FA Cup more closely, I am interested in how other teams get on, - ish anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 22 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said: That’s exactly what we all are, whether you’re ready to admit it or not. That might be the basic commercial reality, but football is still more than that for me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 where did leicester get in the champions league. Can anyone remember. Does anyone care? They got relegated two years later. But the trophies are still there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Rodders said: where did leicester get in the champions league. Can anyone remember. Does anyone care? They got relegated two years later. But the trophies are still there. Are we now similar in stature to Leicester as a club? This thread is absolutely mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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