Ratings & Reactions: LC3: Villa v Everton

[Rugeley Villa]

1 minute ago, Villatillidie95 said:

Went to the cinema to watch the creator instead, assumed I would come out to see us victorious but we’ve ended up losing, nightmare

god knows what the powers that be at VP thought by selling the north stand to the scousers, their fans probably gave the team a boost or advantage, we shot ourselves in the foot with that one.

what was the attendance tonight? 

For how many they had they were pretty quiet until they went 2.0 up.  Our fans were ok tonight . It weren’t announced, but looked less than 30k . Proper in the trenches performance by Everton that was, they fully deserved the win .

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

10 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I think in the first half we had too many passengers and second half when we had our better players on they looked really jaded. Hope he can freshen then up for Saturday or Brighton will spank us.

We were well on top at points in the first half... but were just taking it so damn easy like it was a walk in the park,

[jim]

24 minutes ago, Lerner's Driver said:

What will he learn Jim?

Stuff

[Keener window-cleaner]

It’s in moments like these I’d rather see Archer, Philogene-Bidace, A Ramsey etc run around with enthusiasm and perhaps getting beaten, than seeing big earners underperform.

[duke313]

22 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said:

“This match shouldn’t be our priority because we’re gonna lose to ManCity anyway.“

Oh, wait.

We should have started a much stronger squad. Not rocket science. 

We have to rotate. Not rocket science.

[OutByEaster?]

Uck.

We had a team out that was capable of beating Everton on the night, but fair play to them, they were tactically very good, committed and took their chances.

Our problem was that we'd put out a team capable of beating Everton and not realised we'd also have to beat Belgium.

Youri Keep-it-casual Tielemans and Leander Slo-mo Dendoncker wanted to play the game at one speed, and everyone else was playing it at another. Dendoncker was dreadfully off the pace, it's hard enough to play out from the back when your keeper is uncomfortable on the ball, but significantly harder when your defensive midfielder wants to check the messages on his phone before playing it on - he was slow, ponderous and out of sync and caught on the ball far too often, if it's rust, then he's got more of it than a 1991 Skoda. Tielemans will at least be pleased that he made it to the second half and got a nice clear answer to the question "Why don't I start games?" Sloppiness personified.

By the time we solved our Belgian problem, we were 2-0 down - but we improved significantly once Tielemans eventually got the hook.It's not enough though to play for the last ten minutes and hope for miracles every time.

We learned a few things - we struggle to break down teams who put men behind the ball and we really struggle to get the ball into midfield against teams that play a high line, we didn't figure out a way to beat that, either on or off the pitch. We learned that the backup/bench players we have aren't good enough to win games and that's a real concern - we won't get out of our Euro group playing Dendoncker, Tielemans, Chambers and Olsen, and that's what they're for. On a tiny positive, we also learned that Doug Luiz hates losing.

We need Moreno back so we never have to play McGinn at left back again, we need Ramsey back so that we can get some support to our three quality midfielders and we'll need to be very lucky with injuries if we're hoping to keep this season exciting beyond Christmas.

A granite Rolex tonight, it doesn't do the job and it's a hard watch.

There's a whole lot of work to do here.

 

[Jas10]

 

[OutByEaster?]

Oh, and fair play to the Everton support tonight who I thought were excellent.

And to ours for booing the Lower Grounds when they tried to sell it at half time on the big screens.

 

[tomav84]

Sums up my thoughts 

 

 

[turvontour]

Very similar to the Stevenage game. The scoreline, us gifting goals, our attitude to domestic cups etc.

Its difficult as a fan to differentiate between league and cup games. I want us to win equally in every competition. Its a shame how devalued the domestic cups have become. Not just Villa but teams across the board clearly not fussed.

[Follyfoot]

13 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

The team Emery picked tonight was more than good enough to have beaten Everton. Six of those who started tonight will start on Saturday, nine of those who started the 2nd half will start on Saturday.

It wasn't selection that cost us that game, it was players under performing all over the pitch until the last 20 odd minutes. Why that was the case I don't know. Perhaps, as seemed the case against Legia Warsaw, we went into the game almost expecting to win and perhaps the fact we had won 10 on the bounce at home contributed to that.

I do think some of us need to take the injuries we also have into account. Moreno, Ramsey, Mings, Buendia are all starters in our best 11 and they have played about 40 mins this season between them.  Those players being out, and Carlos, with the heavy amount of fixtures we have had, including players being away on international duty, has put more of a burden on the rest of the squad and I think it has shown at times. 

It is what it is though and whilst I am disappointed to lose tonight overall Emery has presided over a decent start to the season and perhaps we'll look back on tonight as a blessing in disguise in the grand scheme of things. Roll on Saturday.

What I would give to have those four in the squad fit and playing. It’s basically the spine of our team and a lot of the attacking  intent. I’m amazed we are going as well as we are in the league to be honest.

[El Segundo]

A dreadful performance from too many.  Took us until 6 minutes from the end to wake up and increase the tempo a bit. We look slow and lethargic compared to last season.

Tielemans, Dendoncker and I'm afraid Diaby were especially awful, although the latter was making runs first half that no-one seemed to want to try and pick out.  Duran was outmuscled and dominated by Keane and didn't make enough runs.   Bailey started brightly but got injured.  Zaniolo started brightly then disappeared.  McGinn is not a left back.  

I thought Konsa did really well a few times tonight, Watkins made a difference by adding some movement and runs up front, Luiz did some good things but should have set the tempo faster. 

We got what we deserved.

 

 

[Leeroy]

Losing to Neverton, embarrassing 

[OutByEaster?]

I don't think we can put the game exclusively on playing a weakened side - in the second half, we were only one outfield player short of our best team.

 

[Rugeley Villa]

Just not playing well at the minute . I think it’s going to be a long hard season , and very frustrating. The injuries are killing us, that’s the main reason. 

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, AntrimBlack said:

Emery the cup specialist does not seem to be doing too well in his 'specialist subject'.

P5 W1 L4, it's not a great record is it. 

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, delboy54 said:

Beginning to wish I had not bought my special deal of three home Europe games at VP....sigh

I bought those. 2 of the last 3 games I've attended are tonight and the Stevenage game. If anyone superstitious wants to buy the Europe tickets off me, I'll part with them for x2 face value 

[The Fun Factory]

54 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said:

It’s in moments like these I’d rather see Archer, Philogene-Bidace, A Ramsey etc run around with enthusiasm and perhaps getting beaten, than seeing big earners underperform.

Yes times 10

[The Fun Factory]

18 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

Just not playing well at the minute . I think it’s going to be a long hard season , and very frustrating. The injuries are killing us, that’s the main reason. 

And yet we are 6th in the league and basking in our first European group matches since 2008. It has been a very strange start.

It goes back to squad depth and how much the owners are willing to pay up to make us genuinely competitive on all fronts.

And it is about managing expectations after last year's run. I think it will be more impressive if we finish 7th this season IMO after the injuries we have got.

Edited September 27, 2023 by The Fun Factory

[Rightdm00]

1 hour ago, villa4europe said:

I think Dyche done a number on him, pressed high whilst being very tight at the back meaning there was nothing on, at best slowed us down to a snails pace at worst caused us to hang ourselves with defensive mistakes

Paired with a flat performance by the players, the only way to break their set up would have been far far better movement

Everton looked like they'd learned from us battering them

I didn't see much difference in Everton's setup from our last time out. We just didn't have the quality this time around. I usually don't blame the players but it's becoming quite obvious with our injuries Unai can only go about 3-4 deep into the bench for starting 11 quality. That's a problem when you have a European campaign and the league to manage. Let alone add in the domestic cups. 

West Ham won conference by completely punting on every other competition. They were far from competitive in the league and went out early in both cups.  Hopefully Emery can find a system that works but so far no good. Probably will have to strengthen in January if this trend continues.