TRO Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, barry'sboots said: I don't think it is all the player's fault. I think Beale has got our shape a bit wrong! Luiz needs to sit a bit deeper and JJ and SJM need to push a bit higher up. The full backs need to get forward but not as consistently high as they have been. I personally wouldn't make any changes but wouldn't be surprised if Stevie did. We just need to release that front 3 but stay reasonably tight defensively. So the coach is to blame for the players losing the ball at an alarming rate against the mighty Newcastle? Is it the coaches fault for us being bullied and out run against a Leeds team 3-1 down?..who just raid our box and score agricultural goals. I don't think so. That doesn't mean everything is rosey in the coaches garden.....but you only have watch the game to know the players are at fault. 2 managers, with 2 different coaching methods are having the same problems......" We are too easy to play against".....and all the formations, both have chosen, have not fixed the problem with any consistency. It is the players.....whether that means they are not putting it in or we have too few defenders in the team...is up for debate.....but for me, its the blend of players, is not right. Whether that has affected their game, its anyones guess....but its down to them. We keep signing players, who have little effect on the aforementioned tag. Edited February 18, 2022 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 14/02/2022 at 11:03, Herman22 said: I think SG is going to ring the changes for this one. He was fuming during and after the game and he will have made that known to the players. I think he will go with this: Emi Cash Chambers Mings Digne JJ Tim Sanson Buendia Couthino Ings I wouldn’t be surprised if he dropped Buendia for Bailey but I think he’ll know he’s lacking fitness to last 70+ mins. He is right to ring the changes. But that can't be his sole motivational tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 We have to win this one. No excuses. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 The Newcastle game was a really damp squib in the end and everyone will be looking for a major reaction tomorrow. Gerrard in the immediate aftermath last week talked about changes being made for this game but I’m just not so sure what changes he can make without actually weakening us? Pretty much it was our best eleven that started at Newcastle and depending on what he’s seen in training this week I can only see a couple of changes at the most. Chambers probably retains his defensive place, unless he plays Hause and moves Chambers into a defensive midfield position but I don’t think we’ll do that. The main midfield three positions are where we may see a change or two but it’s likely to be Sanson and/or Carney? Ramsey definitely keeps his place but I still wouldn’t be surprised to see Luiz and McGinn starting. The other spot up in the air is who starts up top? Watkins was a major disappointment last weekend no question but his game hasn’t been great for a while now. Ings I think will get the nod to start this one but Bailey and Watkins should certainly be prepared to play a part in this match. Watford will want to keep it very tight and frustrate us no doubt, so patience may be required or we may come flying out the blocks and blow them away early? Either way I think we’ll win, it just may not be the convincing victory we’re all hoping for. Going to say 1-0 win. Martinez Cash Chambers Mings Digne Ramsey ***** ***** Buendia Coutinho ***** 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wict01 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I'd quite like to see just a nice routine 2-0 win here. Nothing fancy, get the basics right and get back to some kind of structure or solidity. If we can't do that against Watford then we really are looking a bit bereft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, ferguson1 said: The Newcastle game was a really damp squib in the end and everyone will be looking for a major reaction tomorrow. Gerrard in the immediate aftermath last week talked about changes being made for this game but I’m just not so sure what changes he can make without actually weakening us? Pretty much it was our best eleven that started at Newcastle and depending on what he’s seen in training this week I can only see a couple of changes at the most. Chambers probably retains his defensive place, unless he plays Hause and moves Chambers into a defensive midfield position but I don’t think we’ll do that. The main midfield three positions are where we may see a change or two but it’s likely to be Sanson and/or Carney? Ramsey definitely keeps his place but I still wouldn’t be surprised to see Luiz and McGinn starting. The other spot up in the air is who starts up top? Watkins was a major disappointment last weekend no question but his game hasn’t been great for a while now. Ings I think will get the nod to start this one but Bailey and Watkins should certainly be prepared to play a part in this match. Watford will want to keep it very tight and frustrate us no doubt, so patience may be required or we may come flying out the blocks and blow them away early? Either way I think we’ll win, it just may not be the convincing victory we’re all hoping for. Going to say 1-0 win. Martinez Cash Chambers Mings Digne Ramsey ***** ***** Buendia Coutinho ***** I heard SG has been doing drills with EB PC and Ings. I think Chambers gets another shot and SG loves SJM, maybe he will give Sanson a try or a very long shot he gives TI a shot but I doubt it. I'd say just Dougie and Ollie replaced. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 We just need to have more about us and show some eagerness. We're too slow on the ball and we're letting teams close us down quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, TRO said: Whether that has affected their game, its anyones guess....but its down to them. Against Leeds certain players lost their discipline, after Ramsey scored his second goal. Mings thought he was Maldini and started to run the ball beyond the midfielders. They blew the three points, obviously got a bollocking for their folly, and went into the Newcastle game looking uncertain. The loss of confidence carries over to the next game Watching the top managers, they don't wait until the end of game to have a word in a player's ear. Klopp, Tuchel and Guadiola give out the individual bollockings, as soon as they do the wrong thing, no matter what the score is. I get the impression that they don't give bollockings for simple errors but for poor decisions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 56 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: I’d be intrigued to see how that line up performs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, wict01 said: I'd quite like to see just a nice routine 2-0 win here. Nothing fancy, get the basics right and get back to some kind of structure or solidity. If we can't do that against Watford then we really are looking a bit bereft. Yep - there can be no excuses. Sure Stevie G needs his own players - and time with those players if we are going to push on and be a force in the division. But not to beat lowly Watford at home. Indeed with less time and none of his own players - We beat Brighton and Leicester. No excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: That would be a tad drastic IMO. What happens if that team loses ? - Does he recall the dropped players next time out. In one sense ruthless - but then Digne and Chambers keep there places !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Robert Jones starts for Watford tomorrow, we're doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Watching the pre-match interviews it sounds like the players have had a good rollocking about their level of performance against Newcastle. I do envisage at least two changes with Watkins and Luiz being dropped but maybe there will be more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, ferguson1 said: Martinez Cash Chambers Mings Digne Ramsey Sanson Mcginn Buendia Coutinho Ings This for me. We need Marvellous back asap. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said: This for me. We need Marvellous back asap. That's why maybe we should just go with Iroegbunam. A proper DM is imperative to Gerrard's style of play as evidenced by how much better we were when Nakamba was in the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: That's why maybe we should just go with Iroegbunam. A proper DM is imperative to Gerrard's style of play as evidenced by how much better we were when Nakamba was in the team. I don’t know anything about him tbh, but if that’s where he plays I would start him over Mcginn and let Sanson get forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Konsa should come straight back in surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 42 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: That's why maybe we should just go with Iroegbunam. A proper DM is imperative to Gerrard's style of play as evidenced by how much better we were when Nakamba was in the team. It does seem he is a natural for that position, however, his competence at Premier league level, I am unsure about, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, TRO said: It does seem he is a natural for that position, however, his competence at Premier league level, I am unsure about, yet. Yep, it's about weighing up whether someone playing the correct role but maybe not fully up to standard yet is better than a square peg at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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