Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted November 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2022 I think we should give him time under Emery before writing him off. The whole team struggled under Gerrard. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 20 hours ago, Pinebro said: I AM DONE WITH PHIL. Luxury player. Doesn't work hard enough. Even under Danks he was lazy. There is no I in team. ok mr. Vikernes what exactly has Philippe done to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) For me there are 3 things here that are good reasons for not writing PC off just yet (I know some of you are horny af to do so already, but hear me out...bro): 1) PC was playing really bloody well when he first joined us on loan from Barca and scored and created assists. No one was making any arguments that his legs were gone, he's lazy, he's shit etc back then, so maybe he's not as trash as you think? I mean ffs, he really isn't. PC seems a player that thrives by having options to pass and run around players. We basically never had available passing options under Gerrard and players were often isolated. He's not the biggest individual so this obviously did not suit him. In a better system with off ball movement that actually makes sense, I think that PC will thrive. 2) All our players suffered under Gerrard so why not give PC the same benefit of the doubt as our other players? The only reason I can think of is the whole tired "he's mates with Gerrard" shtick, but that just reeks of schoolyard bs and by all indications PC seems a humble and timid individual so...like why? What exactly does it hurt to give him this benefit of the doubt? Lets maybe at least see him play under Emery ONE **** GAME before writing him off as irredeemable. 3) Right now he's injured. I play shite when I'm injured and I'm sure you do to. So does PC. Edited November 10, 2022 by osmark86 le spelling oof 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2022 This thread is prime VT silliness. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think we should give him time under Emery before writing him off. The whole team struggled under Gerrard. Nah, this is VillaTalk, a player can be written off before he’s even got dressed in the morning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, osmark86 said: For me there are 3 things here that are good reasons for not writing PC off just yet (I know some of you are horny af to do so already, but here me out...bro): 1) PC was playing really bloody well when he first joined us on loan from Barca and scored and created assists. No one was making any arguments that his legs were gone, he's lazy, he's shit etc back then, so maybe he's not as trash as you think? I mean ffs, he really isn't. PC seems a player that thrives by having options to pass and run around players. We basically never had available passing options under Gerrard and players were often isolated. He's not the biggest individual so this obviously did not suit him. In a better system with off ball movement that actually makes sense, I think that PC will thrive. 2) All our players suffered under Gerrard so why not give PC the same benefit of the doubt as our other players? The only reason I can think of is the whole tired "he's mates with Gerrard" shtick, but that just reaks of schoolyard bs and by all indications PC seems a humble and timid individual so...like why? What exactly does it hurt to give him this benefit of the doubt? Lets maybe at least see him play under Emery ONE **** GAME before writing him off as irredeemable. 3) Right now he's injured. I play shite when I'm injured and I'm sure you do to. So does PC. No.1 was always said since he got linked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: No.1 was always said since he got linked Well maybe he'll be good in Emery's system. The playing field has moved and so should our preconceptions, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, osmark86 said: Well maybe he'll be good in Emery's system. The playing field has moved and so should our preconceptions, don't you think? They have but Coutinho cant move around the pitch anymore which is the biggest problem. Its also not something that you can rekindle through form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: This thread is prime VT silliness. Wibble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: They have but Coutinho cant move around the pitch anymore which is the biggest problem. Its also not something that you can rekindle through form I think we just disagree here. With more purposeful movement across the squad I don't even think this will be a cause for concern either. PC isn't a cripple. Guess we'll see if he gets any minutes when he's back from injury. I'm mildly optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I think given his obvious technical talent and Uncle Unai's ability to coach the players into creating space for our attacking players he'll be far more effective and his attacking output will increase. I think there's going to be a lot of posters sounding like broken records in this thread now though until he's back on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted November 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, osmark86 said: For me there are 3 things here that are good reasons for not writing PC off just yet (I know some of you are horny af to do so already, but hear me out...bro): 1) PC was playing really bloody well when he first joined us on loan from Barca and scored and created assists. No one was making any arguments that his legs were gone, he's lazy, he's shit etc back then, so maybe he's not as trash as you think? I mean ffs, he really isn't. PC seems a player that thrives by having options to pass and run around players. We basically never had available passing options under Gerrard and players were often isolated. He's not the biggest individual so this obviously did not suit him. In a better system with off ball movement that actually makes sense, I think that PC will thrive. 2) All our players suffered under Gerrard so why not give PC the same benefit of the doubt as our other players? The only reason I can think of is the whole tired "he's mates with Gerrard" shtick, but that just reeks of schoolyard bs and by all indications PC seems a humble and timid individual so...like why? What exactly does it hurt to give him this benefit of the doubt? Lets maybe at least see him play under Emery ONE **** GAME before writing him off as irredeemable. 3) Right now he's injured. I play shite when I'm injured and I'm sure you do to. So does PC. I play shite when I'm not injured, so I find it hard to empathise with talented people 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 hours ago, osmark86 said: ok mr. Vikernes what exactly has Philippe done to you? Annoyed me by his performances but most importantly his lack of effort and workrate which is inexcusable for any professional footballer. Nothing personal against the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted November 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Annoyed me by his performances but most importantly his lack of effort and workrate which is inexcusable for any professional footballer. Nothing personal against the guy. In fairness, that was a criticism levelled at several of our players under the previous manager - looking disinterested, too slow, too lightweight etc etc. But for example the Bailey we saw in the last game may as well have been a totally different player from Bailey under Gerrard. I'll wait to see how PC is used and performs under Emery and hope for the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, one_ian_taylor said: In fairness, that was a criticism levelled at several of our players under the previous manager - looking disinterested, too slow, too lightweight etc etc. But for example the Bailey we saw in the last game may as well have been a totally different player from Bailey under Gerrard. I'll wait to see how PC is used and performs under Emery and hope for the best Arsenal fans said the same about Ozil and give him a chance. Ultimately they saw no change in him under Emery. I think some players have the luxury player tag labeled at them for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted November 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Pinebro said: Arsenal fans said the same about Ozil and give him a chance. Ultimately they saw no change in him under Emery. I think some players have the luxury player tag labeled at them for a reason. And he could turn out to be liel that. The situation is a little different and I don't think he'll be a millstone in the same way. Last time I saw him play properly was the Leeds game, which was a rubbish game where in my view he looked the most likely to make something happen (maybe that's damning with faint praise). I don't think he's done done yet. Most likely he won't be a star for us, but if Emery can keep him happy with rotation and sub appearances, then he could give us something different when we need it. Who knows, winner in a cup semi final from the bench somewhere down the line? Wouldn't rule it out just yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Pinebro said: Annoyed me by his performances but most importantly his lack of effort and workrate which is inexcusable for any professional footballer. Nothing personal against the guy. yeah, but just give him a second chance like all other players under the new guy. if he's still shit after that, then fine you were right. until then, stay optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Pinebro said: Arsenal fans said the same about Ozil and give him a chance. Ultimately they saw no change in him under Emery. I think some players have the luxury player tag labeled at them for a reason. Different player, different situation. I don't see the point in making the comparison. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Pinebro said: Annoyed me by his performances but most importantly his lack of effort and workrate which is inexcusable for any professional footballer. Nothing personal against the guy. You're questioning his character that's the definition of personal I believe he was told to play a certain way which made him look poor. I hope Emery can make him look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, skarroki said: You're questioning his character that's the definition of personal I believe he was told to play a certain way which made him look poor. I hope Emery can make him look good He didn't look any better under Danks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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