foreveryoung Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 You don't suddenly lose all that talent, yes you maybe slow down, but he still has it, and surely Emery is the one to make him work. If not, I agree, off to the MLS he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Emery didn't manage to get anything out of Ozil so I'm not sure why people are so confident he will do it with this guy. Some players are just past their best, simple as that. Proof is in the pudding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 59 minutes ago, leemond2008 said: I wasn't very happy with his loan form and was actually pretty annoyed when we made it permanent You were in the minority then. There were some on this forum that thought he wouldn't sign here permanently. We need to lay off him a bit, I think he is the type that needs an arm around his shoulder and reassurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Emery didn't manage to get anything out of Ozil so I'm not sure why people are so confident he will do it with this guy. Some players are just past their best, simple as that. Proof is in the pudding. He was right on Ozil too despite the Arsenal fans complaints at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 I’d like to see him start as our No. 10 in a 4-2-3-1 system. He is a better player than Buendia and deserves a shot at it. Admittedly he has been poor in his last couple of outings though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: I’d like to see him start as our No. 10 in a 4-2-3-1 system. He is a better player than Buendia and deserves a shot at it. Admittedly he has been poor in his last couple of outings though. Yea i agree but buendia has generally been poor when he starts games. Better as a sub. But if you ask me buendias been a bigger disappointment than coutinho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) Ozil was somewhat maligned and scapegoated as his stats weren’t bad… He was somewhat of a mercenary though who appeared to give up when he got his fat contract renewal… Coutihno on the other hand sacrificed millions & millions to join us - to play for Aston Villa. He gets more of a free pass to hopefully find form due to this and think it’s a misplaced and lazy comparison Edited October 29, 2022 by thabucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Objectively really his career has gone right down the toilet since he went to Barcelona. He probably only had a few seasons in which he was truly world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 34 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: You don't suddenly lose all that talent, yes you maybe slow down, but he still has it, and surely Emery is the one to make him work. If not, I agree, off to the MLS he goes. Maybe the problem is that, in his head, Phil thinks he can still do what he used to instead of admitting he needs to adapt his style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 9 hours ago, foreveryoung said: You don't suddenly lose all that talent, yes you maybe slow down, but he still has it, and surely Emery is the one to make him work. If not, I agree, off to the MLS he goes. He was garbage for most of 3 seasons before he came to us 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtaylor200 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 I expect him to be at VP for some time, as we can't afford to simply let him go for next nothing, too much reduction in assets. Maybe Unai can get him playing again or maybe his time has gone. Personally I would rather not see him playing. It's a shame and a waste of a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 11 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: I’d like to see him start as our No. 10 in a 4-2-3-1 system. He is a better player than Buendia and deserves a shot at it. Admittedly he has been poor in his last couple of outings though. Yes just the last 20. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: He was garbage for most of 3 seasons before he came to us He was quality when he first came to us, unplayable, he has slowed but still has skills. I have said if Emery cannot coax it out of him, he won't play and be offered to leave in the summer, but I personally think he has far more to offer than we are presently seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Pretty sure Emery is looking forward to implementing world class talent like Coutinho to the team, irrespective of past performances and form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 What a disappointment, its sad to see. Its like that film Space Jam when the Nerdlucks steal the NBA players powers. My only explanation Is Newcastle have stole Coutinho Football ability and split it between Almiron, longstaff and Joelinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, vreitti said: Pretty sure Emery is looking forward to implementing world class talent like Coutinho to the team, irrespective of past performances and form. Coutinho is not world class. That's why he is at Villa and has about 0 goals and 0 assist in his last 20 games. Emery has been given a bigger budget and ambition than the club he was at. He's here to buy young players , and build a team from the ground up, and a project. He isn't here to play 30 year old players that can't move anymore. Basically what happened at Arsenal. A bunch of old pros that don't have the hunger anymore got him the sack. He won't be making that mistake again I guarantee Why can't people just see and accept what is staring them in the face? Same with Gerrard last season. McGinn for the past year. People looking for something that isn't there. Edited October 30, 2022 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Emery has been given a bigger budget and ambition than the club he was at. He's here to buy young players , and build a team from the ground up, and a project. He isn't here to play 30 year old players that can't move anymore. Plenty of guesswork here. I must have missed where he spoke about his remit with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Just now, vreitti said: Plenty of guesswork here. I must have missed where he spoke about his remit with us. I think it's the same remit every head coach should have. The one Purslow talked about endlessly before Gerrard. Develop youth players, promote our own, seek players that we can improve technically and financially. It's not 'get the best out of washed up players' You folks are actually delusional now. Coutinho is done. He's not world class and he won't be here next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Not sure he’s any worse than Buendia has been but Buendia seems to get the support of the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Spoony said: Not sure he’s any worse than Buendia has been but Buendia seems to get the support of the fans. Because he does more than Coutinho. Coutinho cant move and he cant press. Its like playing with 10 men when he starts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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