Steven Gerrard

[picicata]

2 hours ago, sparrow1988 said:

2 losses this week should see him on his way IMO. They shouldn't be considered free hits. They are games that we need a result from.

Exactly. The reason he needs results against two of the best teams in the league is because of his incompetence against lesser teams. He has put himself in this situation.

[DCJonah]

2 minutes ago, picicata said:

Exactly. The reason he needs results against two of the best teams in the league is because of his incompetence against lesser teams. He has put himself in this situation.

Also the aim this season was for top 7. You don't get top 7 by getting 0 points whenever you play the big 5 or 6 teams in this league.

 

[PieFacE]

18 minutes ago, Mantis said:

It's just so tiresome. We know this isn't going anywhere, yet still we have to put up with him. I hope the board are already scouting out replacements so that when he does go they can bring them in immediately.

Yeah, every man and his dog knows exactly where all this is heading. 

There's so so so very few success stories that come from the situation that Gerrard finds himself in right now. 

[Spoony]

Just now, PieFacE said:

Yeah, every man and his dog knows exactly where all this is heading. 

There's so so so very few success stories that come from the situation that Gerrard finds himself in right now. 

Tbf they did with Smith. Gerrard’s appointment was very quick. 

[Tom13]

2 hours ago, duke313 said:

I think he'll be gone if we lose to Arsenal and City.  Cirtchley in charge for Leicester and Southampton, then a new manager in after international break for Leeds.

If we lose tonight I hope he's gone in the morning. I want him gone now but for some reason he's still in charge.

[pacbuddies]

If we lose tonight (and I say 'If' very tongue in cheek) surely he should be sacked tomorrow because if not the atmosphere in VP on Saturday will be very toxic and why would the owners want that?

[TRO]

10 hours ago, Anything11 said:

I would love nothing more than this to all turn around. I think the fans need to see something in the performances to get on board otherwise things are going to get very ugly.

I accept, the case against him is strong, but the pitchforks were out for Arteta too.

I don't entirely accept, we can't see what he is doing.....I saw, what he was trying to do against West Ham, and for periods it was working....First Half, particualrly.

but some events baffled me :

• Giving Zouma heading practice wasn't very bright.
• Konsa has found a new way of blocking shots, as revolutionary as the fosbury flop....it could really catch on for getting managers out.
• Taking Luiz off, was a dumb thing to do, it opened up an old wound, that was seeming to be healing, despite my lack of faith in the midfield
• Their Goal was a fluke, no matter how we dress it up....not many teams open up like a can of beans and just ball watch.
• The ruled out goal/corner was as regular as Haley's comet....can't think of the last time that happened...was the linesman on a mission?

It could so easily have been different, and we would be sitting on 6 points and them on none......would the pitchforks then come out for Moyes?...but hey ho, thats their business, and we have ours.

I have to say, the biggest disappointement aimed at Villa right now is......." The gift that just keeps on giving"....what an indictment, how many of our past heroes, would preside over that?

If there is a worse aim/ label at a football team, I haven't heard it.......Oh yes " Aston Vanilla, always getting licked", might be.

I'm sure the poets amongst us, will have a field day, playing like this.

UTV

Edited August 31, 2022 by TRO

[Davkaus]

50 minutes ago, pacbuddies said:

If we lose tonight (and I say 'If' very tongue in cheek) surely he should be sacked tomorrow because if not the atmosphere in VP on Saturday will be very toxic and why would the owners want that?

I think there's some truth in the "4 games to save his job" rumours, because if you're putting a manager in a position where the viability of their job depends on them getting a result against two of the best and most in-form teams in the country, what's the **** point?

[StefanAVFC]

18 minutes ago, TRO said:

I accept, the case against him is strong, but the pitchforks were out for Arteta too.

My goodness, a lot to unpack again.

Firstly, yes people were very against Arteta but he had a clear plan from day 1. Even when the results were poor, you could clearly see what the plan was. After over half a season's worth of games, 2 transfer windows and a pre-season, can anyone say honestly either what the Steven Gerrard plan is, or what the Aston Villa identity is?

20 minutes ago, TRO said:

I don't entirely accept, we can't see what he is doing.....I saw, what he was trying to do against West Ham, and for periods it was working....First Half, particualrly.

Was it? Granted it was better than against Palace and Bournemouth but we still barely created anything. And it was mostly down to West Ham being absolutely atrocious. Then Moyes changes it, Gerrard doesn't, West Ham start dominating and he takes off Luiz and the rest is history.

21 minutes ago, TRO said:

• Giving Zouma heading practice wasn't very bright.

We did this against Bournemouth too. Against 3 huge CBs. Clearly an instruction.

21 minutes ago, TRO said:

• Konsa has found a new way of blocking shots, as revolutionary as the fosbury flop....it could really catch on for getting managers out.

You've said this a few times. Not sure how it's relevant.

22 minutes ago, TRO said:

• Their Goal was a fluke, no matter how we dress it up....not many teams open up like a can of beans and just ball watch.

I have no idea what you're on about here. We've been opened up many a time already this season due to our total lack of a midfield.

22 minutes ago, TRO said:

• The ruled out corner was as regular as Haley's comet....can't think of the last time that happened...was the linesman on a mission?

Hahahaha. It went out clearly. Perfect decision by the lino. Maybe they don't lead to goals often but corners swing out and back in frequently.

23 minutes ago, TRO said:

It could so easily have been different, and we would be sitting on 6 points and them on none......would the pitchforks then come out for Moyes?...but hey ho, thats their business, and we have ours.

Well...

It isn't different. We lost 1-0 because once again, we played like complete shite, the other manager changed the game, we didn't create anything and asked for the fluke to happen. Moyes has also lead West Ham to two very good finishes in 2 years. What has Gerrard achieved? 3 wins in 15. There's the difference.

The apologism is completely and utterly absurd.

Lack of backing, bullshit.

Flukey goals, bullshit.

Konsa's weird blocking technique. bullshit.

The buck stops with Gerrard. It's his fault that:

• we have no identity
• we have toxicity in the ranks after the most positive time at the club in over a decade
• we can't create chances
• we have CM's playing at full back and full backs playing on the wing and wingers on the bench
• we don't know our best team, bombed out potentially key players
• and ultimately, we are one of the worst teams in the league with a squad easily worthy of top 12, if not top 10.

[pacbuddies]

6 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

I think there's some truth in the "4 games to save his job" rumours, because if you're putting a manager in a position where the viability of their job depends on them getting a result against two of the best and most in-form teams in the country, what's the **** point?

If they had pulled the trigger after West Ham like they should have done then they wouldn't be in this predicament. Incompetence at the very highest level at AVFC!

[Mister_a]

23 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

• we have CM's playing at full back and full backs playing on the wing and wingers on the bench
• we don't know our best team, bombed out potentially key players

It's this for me, I consider myself to be relatively smart, but I have no idea what SG is doing or even trying to do, and suspect that with SG, that makes two of us.

[est1874]

SURELY it has reached the owners and Purslow/Lange by this point that a majority of fans want him gone.

[pacbuddies]

3 minutes ago, est1874 said:

SURELY it has reached the owners and Purslow/Lange by this point that a majority of fans want him gone.

If any of them check VT, Facebook or Twitter they can't fail to be aware!

[Keyblade]

2 hours ago, Mantis said:

It's just so tiresome. We know this isn't going anywhere, yet still we have to put up with him. I hope the board are already scouting out replacements so that when he does go they can bring them in immediately.

Purslow was so quick to tap up his mate when Smith was getting sacked, I hope he's keeping the same energy right now.

[Chindie]

If you're at the '4 games to save his job' point, you've effectively made the decision already. It's even more obvious when 2 of those games are against the 2 form teams in the league, the 2 teams right now good look at the fixtures and say 'anythings a bonus'. They may as well have sacked him on Monday. I'd have preferred they sacked him after Palace, but after West Ham he was dead.

[PussEKatt]

2 hours ago, DCJonah said:

Also the aim this season was for top 7. You don't get top 7 by getting 0 points whenever you play the big 5 or 6 teams in this league.

 

You also dont get top 7 by being the only team that cant win.

Look at the league table.Wet spam..have one win ( against us )

Bournmouth have one win    ( against us ) 

Palace have one win    (against us ) 

To top it all off,we have just lost to a team that has not won a game or scored a goal,and now we play a team that has not lost a game.FFS,whats the point of keeping him around ?!

[Davkaus]

9 minutes ago, Chindie said:

If you're at the '4 games to save his job' point, you've effectively made the decision already. It's even more obvious when 2 of those games are against the 2 form teams in the league, the 2 teams right now good look at the fixtures and say 'anythings a bonus'. They may as well have sacked him on Monday. I'd have preferred they sacked him after Palace, but after West Ham he was dead.

I agree.

It's only tabloid speculation, but I think when you're at that point, it's a matter of time. Say he wins a couple of those 4, how far does it push the clock back. another couple of losses? Poor form in the next 4/5? It's been clear for a while that he's a dead man walking, and unless he performs a miracle, Saturday is shaping up to be deeply unpleasant. It's a mistake to have allowed it to get to the point that the manager gets hounded out, but we're nearly there.

Edited August 31, 2022 by Davkaus

[Nabby]

12 minutes ago, Chindie said:

If you're at the '4 games to save his job' point, you've effectively made the decision already. It's even more obvious when 2 of those games are against the 2 form teams in the league, the 2 teams right now good look at the fixtures and say 'anythings a bonus'. They may as well have sacked him on Monday. I'd have preferred they sacked him after Palace, but after West Ham he was dead.

Sack now and have a new guy fact City and Arsenal or bring him in against the easier Soton ( though they seem to have hit another winning run they often go on ) and Leicester ...

[Chindie]

4 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

I agree.

It's only tabloid speculation, but I think when you're at that point, it's a matter of time. Say he wins a couple of those 4, how far does it push the clock back. another couple of losses? Poor form in the next 4/5? It's been clear for a while that he's a dead man walking, and unless he performs a miracle, Saturday is shaping up to be deeply unpleasant. It's a mistake to have allowed it to get to the point that the manager gets hounded out, but we're nearly there.

Haaland and Guardiola will be rubbing their hands at the thought of the records they could break in that game. 

[est1874]

Refreshing NewsNow every 5 mins wondering how he's still here

Get it done Villa.