The next manager of Aston Villa

[TRO]

12 minutes ago, blandy said:

This is...I don't know how to put it really.

Whether the fans are "winners" is utterly irrelevant to outcome. People who go to games (or not) with an attitude of "this is a day out, I want to enjoy myself", or if they go to games with an attitude of "we must win" makes no difference to anything. Different outlook, maybe. The healthier one is probably the one who wants to take enjoyment from it, more than just the result on the day.

I don't even know why you've posted what you did, to be honest. @TRO

Anyway, on the manager thing, it is what it is. I don't like it. But having made all these claims about ambition and challenging for Europe and stuff, they need to walk the walk, as they demanded of Deano. You can't go sacking a manager for not progressing in the way you want him to and then make a choice of next manager that also doesn't achieve those stated aims.

If it's just a gamble and throw of the dice, then that's incoherent.

Whoever they get in will have the same problems Deano had - a squad which is weak in some areas  - for a European place challenge the midfield and full back positions are under resourced. "Bring kids through" means the manager (past or future) needs to give room for the youngsters to develop, but "qualify for Europe" means having back ups that are consistent standard for the full back and centre mid positions.

Deano couldn't solve those problems and I'm not sure that whoever's next will either. They might get better effort, organisation, tactics etc. or they might not. But you'd hope (I would, anyway) that the next manager needs to have experience at the top of top league(s) in order to meet this desire for European places while developing players. If he doesn't, then why sack Deano?

because, I speak from the heart, some folk think things and keep them to themselves, ( the wisest move, I Know)my weakness, is I say it.if I feel it.

I say this with respect Pete, I think you are missing a point in all of this....I could write reams of good things about Dean Smith, but just as one example, I see some things in Ron Saunders, that Dean just doesn't have and never will.....does those things manifest themselves in to the team, eventually, I think so....I would guess, Dean has many attributes Ron never had, but that doesn't compensate, from what was missing.....Ron engendered that element of fear, in his persona, I don't think Dean did.....I think many folk will misinterpret that as not being approachable, but that would be misleading. Klopp and Pep would be approachable, but they engender an element of fear too.   I have seen Ron Saunders first hand say yes to a dodgy question posed by a player, but when we walked away, we all went phew!! that was close....thats the fear, I mean, it keeps folk on their toes...its not nasty, but its mot woolly either....it engenders respect, not likeability.

You like many others, set about writing all the good things about Dean and you are not wrong, and neither are they, but it doesn't make up for whats missing, and as time has unfolded imv it has become more and more relevant....Every manager, is a throw of the dice, its just hoping the tools they have will make the most impact, and there again , impact has a shelf life too....a safe pair of hands is a great attribute, but would Abramovich agree, No, because he wants to win and willing to take the gamble...and when he starts slipping changes it.

Its unlikely the next Manager, will be a long stayer, because its the nature of the beast, its an intense business, that requires an intense approach....It's not a close the door go home pipe and slippers and see you Monday, that is not why Elite managers get paid Hollywood Wages...They eat breathe and sleep it. ( I am not aimimg a swipe at Dean, by the way, just trying to add perspective to what we are dealing with)

Football management is a monster, that will consume you, if you haven't got the mental toughness for it......I see some managers around, who have some really good skills, but are they tough and durable enough, I am then not so sure.

Leading a group of highly trained fit young men with attitude, takes attitude as well....There is not many who could do it....I know even with all the football knowledge, I have not got the Character to do it, but I am pretty sure I know a man, when I see one.

It would take a certain kind of blind man, not to see the good Dean Has brought to our club, he has brought, stability, Harmony and a kind of togetherness, we cannot dismiss, its been huge in developing the feel good factor.....but for me I see and ingredient, that is missing and its no criticism of Dean, none of can be blessed with everything....I think we are ready for a different skill set in the manager Head coach, whether the club see it the same, time will tell.

 

[NoelVilla]

Couldn't care less what Rangers fans think.

[SeanVilla]

11 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

Absolute right particularly the Henry bit.

What’s the actual truth on the Henry being offered the job? Howard Hodgson who’s very well connected to the club said we did offer the job and he turned us down. He has no reason to lie. 

[IrishVilla10]

3 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Already stated many pages ago, feel free to go back and look.

The only thing I can see is a comment on the level of the SPL. The rest is insisting he’ll get the job because of his relationship with Purslow. 

[DaveAV1]

7 minutes ago, Zatman said:

One on Boateng was just as bad

Are there any choirboys on the list. The last thing we want is someone who isn’t a lovely, lovely boy. 

[Ingram85]

IsnT THIs fUN!!!

Edited November 9, 2021 by Ingram85

[Zatman]

2 minutes ago, NoelVilla said:

Couldn't care less what Rangers fans think.

Norwich fans didnt want Lambert to go

[Zatman]

1 minute ago, DaveAV1 said:

Are there any choirboys on the list. The last thing we want is someone who isn’t a lovely, lovely boy. 

Eh making cowardly tackles and getting red cards doesn't make you a hardman

[Denaldinho]

I mean what if Gerrard came in and did well?  Majority are tipping him to takeover from Klopp in a few years.

I think at this point rather take Fonseca or Martinez.

[useless]

21 minutes ago, useless said:

I had a look on a Gers forum and most of them seem pretty convinced that he will stay with them, and based on the reasons they give I think that they're probably right.

Afternoon all, I've combined my last two posts to make for easier reading, sorry I should have added the reasons in the first place...

15 minutes ago, useless said:

His loyalty, him wanting to take them into the Champions League, the fact that he stated he was very happy at Rangers barely weeks ago when asked about the Newcastle job, the fact that in his interview after their game at the weekend he was talking about how important the coming games are, and the idea that if he's serious about wanting the Liverpool job then he'd probably be better of staying with them and being a success than coming to us - which maybe sounds counter-intuitive but I think in a strange that they're probably right because to get the Liverpool job based on his performance with us he'd probably have to get us Champions League football.

 

Edited November 9, 2021 by useless

[IrishVilla10]

 

Just now, Zatman said:

Eh making cowardly tackles and getting red cards doesn't make you a hardman

Are you the guy Gerrard got into the bust up in the club with by any chance? 

[John]

Had a little look on Gersnet: https://www.gersnetonline.co.uk/ipboard/topic/45919-gerrard-to-aston-villa/

Their posts include:

"If SG gets offered the Villa job then I’d suggest it’s a certainty he’ll take it.!"

"A born winner might see it more as a sleeping giant and a terrific challenge. Either way, Villa are a big club in a top league, with significant resources.  Rangers are big club in a diddy league, who just announced we're really skint. I think Gerrard will want to see this season out at Ibrox but who knows (other than him)..."

& last, but not least:

"We're being naive if we think Aston Villa aren't an attractive club for anyone raised in England. They genuinely are the proverbial sleeping giant. They've a big support, based in the second largest city in the country, and a decent history to match. They might have been a yo-yo side in recent times but I'm old enough to remember when Man City and Chelsea were too. Aston Villa have ambitious billionaire owners, a decent squad and money in the bank from the sale of Grealish. On top of that Birmingham is only a couple of hours drive from Liverpool, Gerrard could be home with his family every night. I suspect Gerrard knows that unless he can turn Rangers into perennial Champion's League participants his managerial pedigree isn't good enough for the Liverpool job currently. But, take a side like Aston Villa back into Europe, have them playing exciting football, maybe win a cup, and he's very much in the frame. Remember Klopp had won the Bundesliga and reached the Champion's League final before he was considered for Liverpool. We've not spoken a lot about our recent financial report and what that might mean for the club. Gerrard and his coaching staff are ambitious and our failure to beat Malmo was a huge blow to the club. If we don't win the league this season we might have a problem, we can't keep losing those kind of sums. Having crowds back is a huge help, but we can only balance the books by qualifying for the Champion's League or by selling someone for decent money. Gerrard and his coaching team might feel they've taken us as far as they can with the players we have. Hopefully that's not the case and he does fancy a crack at winning the SPFL and then straight into the Champion's League next season." 

[TRO]

37 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Well Gerrard looks like he will become our manager because of his friend and not because of his CV.  So sometimes friends open doors that otherwise shouldn’t be open.

No, that is false....sure it helps if you know intimately, the candidates credentials....I got all my jobs on what I did previously, not on interviews, where I was probably crap.

I think you are misrepresenting our Ceo ( I have no idea if CP is good bad or indifferent) but if he did get it and it turned out well, does it matter, its not the process, its the outcome that matters.

I would suspect having trust and a good working relationship helps.....but it doesn't matter how friendly, they are SG will know only winning will keep him in the seat.....They both know that.

[The_Steve]

Yet to see anything compelling that Gerrard is a target. If was to take it I would of course support them. Sceptical about what the media are offering - it’s all white noise. 

[TheEgo]

4 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I’m struggling to understand how it got so bad in 2021 for Smith after such a great start. It can’t all be down to Grealish surely?  Are our players just shit but over achieved for 2-3 months?

The coaches leaving, Covid disrupting the pre season, maybe a levelling off of his ability and ceiling for improvement. Shakespeare not a fav of the players etc etc 

[thabucks]

Be interesting if Gerrard is appointed how he uses Luiz and McGinn 

[tinker]

7 minutes ago, TRO said:

Ron engendered that element of fear, in his persona, I don't think Dean did.....I think many folk will misinterpret that as not being approachable, but that would be misleading. Klopp and Pep would be approachable, but they engender an element of fear too.   I have seen Ron Saunders first hand say yes to a dodgy question posed by a player, but when we walked away, we all went phew!! that was close....thats the fear, I mean, it keeps folk on their toes...its not nasty, but its mot woolly either....it engenders respect, not likeability.

You like many others, set about writing all the good things about Dean and you are not wrong, and neither are they, but it doesn't make up for whats missing, and as time has unfolded imv it has become more and more relevant....Every manager, is a throw of the dice, its just hoping the tools they have will make the most impact, and there again , impact has a shelf life too....a safe pair of hands is a great attribute, but would Abramovich agree, No, because he wants to win and willing to take the gamble...and when he starts slipping changes it.

 

 

20 years ageaybe but I think the days are gone of managers who can rule by fear. Players sit on multi million pound contracts. Man city and Chelsea  are different, they can afford to freeze these players out and not worry about the financial impact . Klopp is unique and although he is strong he leads with encouragement.

If a manager with next to no experience comes in and starts throwing his weight about he will not last 5 minutes in the modern game. The players will freeze him out, they have the power. If an experienced respected  manager comes in then he stands a chance.

[Stevo985]

14 minutes ago, Denaldinho said:

I mean what if Gerrard came in and did well?  Majority are tipping him to takeover from Klopp in a few years.

I'd be more than happy if that happened. Means he'd be the first manager in my lifetime as a Villa fan to go on to better things (assuming Liverpool are still at the level they are now)

Ergo he would most likely have done a good job here.

 

Fans always seem to want managers who will be here for ages. It almost never happens.

Our next manager should be the one who can take the club forward for the next 2 or 3 seasons. Then reassess. If that manager can still improve us then keep him. If not then get rid and get someone better in.

Tired of us giving managers contracts for what they've done. Hire them for what they WILL do

[Zatman]

15 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said:

 

Are you the guy Gerrard got into the bust up in the club with by any chance? 

Nah I disliked him before our interaction

[Sulberto21]

21 minutes ago, Steero113 said:

Because you're still spouting shit about him even after the other 65,000 Rangers fans have lauded him and don't want him to leave. You seem to have contacted the 7 who don't rate him.

I haven’t spouted shit about him. I’ve said I feel there are better options for us out there. Read my posts. So don’t make up crap about me without reading what I’ve wrote. 
 

Saying I feel there’s better out there for Villa than him isn’t spouting shit about him. And as for my relatives who go there they’ve basically said what most are saying - it could be good it could be bad. But the step up in opposition might be too much for atm to bridge. 
 

Spouting shit indeed.