DaveAV1 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 We can throw around as many stats as we like but it often comes down to the fit. Sometimes a manager just fits a club and everything clicks. Ron Saunders record both before and after his time here was nothing to write home about, but here……wooow! There’s always an element of luck involved no matter how much due diligence is done, whether signing players or managers. David Moyes was under a lot of pressure two summers ago. Not many in here would have held a big party if we’d appointed him then. Fast forward two years and there’d be a stampede to get him. Humans, so unpredictable. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, NoelVilla said: This would be disappoining if it happened. His time at Roma and the story with Dzeko raises question marks. what story with Dzeko? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: I think we should go all out for this George Ramsay boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Fonseca has done it in 5 clubs across multiple countries and got SD to the knockout stage of the Champions League. That is more than Gerrard has achieved His career - great season at Pacos De Ferreira, sacked from the Porto job, unable to replicate success at PDF, gets a decent win rate out of a top 4 side again, sustained success at Shakhtar, followed by sacked at Roma for not being good enough and regressing. He's not 'done it at 5 clubs', he's done it at arguably 3. As for multiple countries... well kinda, 2 (Portugal and Ukraine). Roma was not a success story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: We can throw around as many stats as we like but it often comes down to the fit. Sometimes a manager just fits a club and everything clicks. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Fonseca is a no for me. Underwhelming imo. Just seems like another average european manager on the merry go round, whos done nothing of any real note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Fonseca also made 6 subs in a league game last season so Roma lost automatically 3-0. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Fonseca also made 6 subs in a league game last season so Roma lost automatically 3-0. Klopp will want as assistant then.! Next please ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, MaVilla said: what story with Dzeko? Here is a part of it. https://www.chiesaditotti.com/2021/1/25/22248449/dzeko-fonseca-feud-roma "Dzeko was also reportedly upset with the club's decision to dismiss team manager Gianluca Gomber following Roma's loss to Spezia in the Coppa Italia last week. Gomber was one of two Roma employees dismissed following that controversial match in which Fonseca made six substitutions, one more than the new rules allow. As a result, the fixture was officially registered as a 3-0 defeat, and Gomber, who was close with several players, became the sacrificial lamb." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 If we sack Deano, go all out and throw a sack of wedge at Erik Ten Hag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: Depressing looking at that list in the last 35 years. Other than a handful of good managers the list is shit. Is it any wonder we've done sweet FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, NoelVilla said: Here is a part of it. https://www.chiesaditotti.com/2021/1/25/22248449/dzeko-fonseca-feud-roma "Dzeko was also reportedly upset with the club's decision to dismiss team manager Gianluca Gomber following Roma's loss to Spezia in the Coppa Italia last week. Gomber was one of two Roma employees dismissed following that controversial match in which Fonseca made six substitutions, one more than the new rules allow. As a result, the fixture was officially registered as a 3-0 defeat, and Gomber, who was close with several players, became the sacrificial lamb." Nearly as bad as bringing Ashley Young on as a substitute in CM. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 The merry go around model is fine. Just have to know when to sack. Roman was ahead of his time. As long as he improves us the first 2 years. If wheels fall off the 3rd season you get rid and bring in the next guy. This is modern football and it's nothing wrong with it. Longevity died a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 No average foreign managers please! Graham Potter my number one if Smith is to be replaced. Otherwise prefer Lampard. At least he would get the midfield functioning and bring through the youth. We must get a manager brave enough to play youngsters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Philosopher said: No average foreign managers please! Graham Potter my number one if Smith is to be replaced. Otherwise prefer Lampard. At least he would get the midfield functioning and bring through the youth. We must get a manager brave enough to play youngsters. I would take Gerrard over Lampard tbh. Lampards teams are so frail and leaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Philosopher said: No average foreign managers please! Graham Potter my number one if Smith is to be replaced. Otherwise prefer Lampard. At least he would get the midfield functioning and bring through the youth. We must get a manager brave enough to play youngsters. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, Philosopher said: No average foreign managers please! Graham Potter my number one if Smith is to be replaced. Otherwise prefer Lampard. At least he would get the midfield functioning and bring through the youth. We must get a manager brave enough to play youngsters. Absolutely not - he hasn't done anything in his managerial career other than fail with comparatively very strong sides for the divisions he was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Steero113 said: No average managers! Only Potter or a shit one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I would take Gerrard over Lampard tbh. Lampards teams are so frail and leaky. Thing is our youngsters like the Chukwuemekas, Ramseys, Barry have higher ceilings then most first teamers. So bringing them through is key to our clubs fortunes. Lampard would be great for all the talented young midfielders we have. So while leaky is right, I think the benefits would be worth it longer term. Edited November 2, 2021 by Philosopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Hasn’t Foncesca basically managed every single team in Portugal? Doesn’t fill me with confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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