Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted February 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) The bathroom topic is the most disingenuous argument ever anyway. Mixed sex bathrooms exist. As far as I know, their existence doesn't lead to little girls being assaulted by hairy men. FFS at my local swimming pool, it's one big mixed sex changing room with cubicles. And this is in Poland, uber conservative Poland. If we're saying that trans women are transitioning into women to sneak into bathrooms and prey on little girls, then what's stopping not-dress-wearing men going into mixed sex ones and doing the same? Why go through the extra effort? That doesn't take into account the the majority of sexual abuse of minors is done by someone familiar to the minor, why is a dad or uncle needing to become a woman to take their kid to the women's toilets to abuse them? It's honestly insane how much this discourse has taken over the debate. EDIT: I mention men only here in this post as the entire debate about transgender sex offenders in bathrooms is 99.9999% MTG transgender individuals. Not because I hate men, obviously. Edited February 8, 2023 by StefanAVFC 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 8, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2023 Mod request: Please stay on topic. This isn't a thread for Men's rights (or wrongs), or what posters think of other posters. It's about Transgender issues and considerations. Thanks Villans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 8, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2023 Ipsos Poll of Scottish respondents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 It's been a few weeks since I read about this so perhaps new details have come to light, is there any coherent argument for why this bill would clash with the UK wide equalities law? It seemed to just be the government loudly insisting that was the case, stamping their feet, and refusing to elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: It's been a few weeks since I read about this so perhaps new details have come to light, is there any coherent argument for why this bill would clash with the UK wide equalities law? It seemed to just be the government loudly insisting that was the case, stamping their feet, and refusing to elaborate. They gave quite a detailed explanation here The Secretary of State considers that the Bill contains provisions which make modifications of the law as it applies to reserved matters and which the Secretary of State has reasonable grounds to believe would have an adverse effect on the operation of the law as it applies to reserved matters. The reasons for this belief are set out at Parts 2, 3 and 4. I'll leave it for you to decide if its coherent and doesn't elaborate enough ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 8, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: It's been a few weeks since I read about this so perhaps new details have come to light, is there any coherent argument for why this bill would clash with the UK wide equalities law? It seemed to just be the government loudly insisting that was the case, stamping their feet, and refusing to elaborate. The age of 16 might have something to do with it but I'm just guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 You've got to hope that the tragic Brianna Ghey killing isn't what it appears it could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, bobzy said: You've got to hope that the tragic Brianna Ghey killing isn't what it appears it could be Gah I was just reading about this and the same thought occurred to me, of course. So sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 It is very concerning. Lynch mobs cheered on by what seems to be a majority of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eidolon Posted February 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2023 This has been coming unfortunately. For it to happen to someone so young with so much ahead of her is devastating. This thread generally is overwhelmingly evidence that this isn’t everyone, a lot of people have very reasonable views but unfortunately it doesn’t take everyone for tragedies like this to happen. Its very hard right now to believe Brianna being trans wasn’t the motivating factor with the history of transphobic bullying she had already gone through and the ridiculous lies about trans people all over the world at the moment. Not to deflect at all from the focus that should be on what has just happened but to add context, even over here a large reason I withdrew from this site and the internet at large was I was assaulted pretty badly myself for being openly trans femme in public and turning someone down at a bar. The climate feels pretty dangerous right now unfortunately and it only feels like this will happen again. 9 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Eidolon said: The climate feels pretty dangerous right now unfortunately and it only feels like this will happen again. Yeah, it kind of feels like we're at a point where "it will get worse before it gets better". Thankfully, overall, I think the World is a more accepting place these days so hopefully we get there very soon and without much incident in the meantime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MakemineVanilla Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 The controversy may shift but is unlikely to go away, as Hannah Barnes's book Time To Think will shortly be published, which is about the goings-on at the Tavistock clinic. It seems likely that gender-neutral toilets will seem a trivial matter by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 23 hours ago, Eidolon said: This has been coming unfortunately. For it to happen to someone so young with so much ahead of her is devastating. This thread generally is overwhelmingly evidence that this isn’t everyone, a lot of people have very reasonable views but unfortunately it doesn’t take everyone for tragedies like this to happen. Its very hard right now to believe Brianna being trans wasn’t the motivating factor with the history of transphobic bullying she had already gone through and the ridiculous lies about trans people all over the world at the moment. Not to deflect at all from the focus that should be on what has just happened but to add context, even over here a large reason I withdrew from this site and the internet at large was I was assaulted pretty badly myself for being openly trans femme in public and turning someone down at a bar. The climate feels pretty dangerous right now unfortunately and it only feels like this will happen again. I understand why you’ve stopped posting so much, but I’m glad you’re still on here. I always enjoy your posts and getting your perspective on things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 14, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 14, 2023 8 hours ago, MakemineVanilla said: The controversy may shift but is unlikely to go away, as Hannah Barnes's book Time To Think will shortly be published, which is about the goings-on at the Tavistock clinic. It seems likely that gender-neutral toilets will seem a trivial matter by comparison. Seems like a story at one clinic vs the attitudes of the entire human race. Regardless of what happened there and its rights and wrongs, it should have no real bearing on the trans debate. It will but it really shouldn't. The story about the clinic, should be about the clinic, nothing else. The story itself is bound to be exploited by the anti-trans side as some sort of beacon of badness. It's all so predictable 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 15, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2023 21 hours ago, bickster said: Regardless of what happened there and its rights and wrongs, it should have no real bearing on the trans debate. It will but it really shouldn't. Kind of, but not totally. Within the clinic there were clear failings of clinical treatment. Lots of successes, too. Obviously clinical failings, particularly when they have serious impacts on patients need to be prevented, investigated and so on. Now these clinical failings were related to the courses of action taken by clinicians within Englands only specialist centre for young people with feelings that they’re in the wrong body and so on. Young Trans people, people wrongly (by the clinicians) diagnosed as trans, when they were not and are not. Trans people given drugs and medical procedures who should not have been, because other courses of action were more appropriate. Vulnerable youngsters who went to see the experts and ended up harmed. Mostly trans, but some just coming to terms with who they are, being told they were trans and this’ll fix it (make you feel mentally good about yourself), when they were just lesbian, or gay and counselling and support was the more appropriate course of action, rather than puberty blockers and more. So while clinical failings is the underlying thing that needs sorted , the way that more widely society and clinical professionals deal with young potentially trans, potentially confused or distressed people needs to evolve to better help all of them, and not harm some of them, doesn’t it?And that can’t be done outside of the Trans debate, it needs to be part of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 **** me. Dreadful all round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I’ve gone for shocked, but laugh was a close second. How can anyone think that ANYONE would say “I’ll just dry my hands on my penis”?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, bobzy said: I’ve gone for shocked, but laugh was a close second. How can anyone think that ANYONE would say “I’ll just dry my hands on my penis”?! That’s a pretty crazy part of the story, but on top of that, something so innocuous makes news in a national paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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