rjw63 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: What the hell you doing in this thread? Did you get lost? Slow work day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, CVByrne said: Was my thoughts exactly. We just have to apologise for everything because something else we do and say now will obviously be not PC in a decade and we need to apologise for it. We currently have to apologise for being straight white males. We have special privileges we need to apologise for. I assume white gay people will need to apologise in a decade and so on. Cis gender women will be the ones in 20 years etc.. Much like your comments on Obi Wan, which you hadn't seen, it's possible that a lot of this stuff is only happening in your imagination! Edited July 7, 2022 by Rolta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, CVByrne said: I don't. But the people who make TV shows clearly do I think that's accurate, more or less. And overdue, as per my previous post really. When the #BLM started, it was very noticeable how advertisers and adverts started containing many more black actors all of a sudden. The mix of social pressure and pure financial self interest made that happen - there's definitely a lot of TV companies, businesses etc. wanting to be seen to be on the right side of the issue, and if that means (and it does) that more actors from different backgrounds or characteristics get work, then that's a good thing - jobs on merit, not on "traditional" (i.e. out of date) values. It's not a negative to want to reflect society's make up, though it's far better for it to be a natural thing than for it to be transparently forced or done for "cosmetic" reasons. edit - by that I mean it's better, clearly if employers (e.g. TV co.s) believe in treating people equally, rather than give the appearance of treating people equally, without actually believing it's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 I think the writers/producers of a show like “Friends” are more likely to acknowledge failings of the show years later because it is still really popular and is still being discovered by new audiences. And these audiences are more likely to be younger and have a different view on some things compared to the audience watching it at the time when it was first broadcast. They might (probably would) still look back and say “Yeah we could have done that better” if the show wasn’t being rediscovered by new audiences. But I think it’s sustained popularity means they’re more likely to do so. We’ve seen similar with Lucas and Walliams acknowledging blacking up for in their shows, David Baddiel acknowledged he shouldn’t have got made up like Jason Lee. They were right to acknowledge their error in hindsight. It’s not something to get indignant about them doing so then and it’s not something to get indignant about Kauffman doing so now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, CVByrne said: You seem most worked up by this. I think it's great that there is more diversity in film and TV shows being made. It's great and long overdue. My issue lies with the fact that you can no longer make a show that isn't required to have a set representation of different groups unless that is entirely of minority groups. The pendulum has swung too far the other way and that is always bad. Agree with this, see the adverts lately. Diversity is good, but you can tell some are trying far to hard, like Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 This thread has gone so far off topic we're about 5 minutes away from someone complaining about Sainsbury's having a black family celebrating Christmas on an advert. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) I would be interested in what are the causes of transgenderism. And if identified does it make sense to try and reverse the effects? eg as a hypothetical, if estrogen mimics in our drinking water affect certain people at critical moments in their development and nudges people's hormonal balances etc. Edited July 7, 2022 by fruitvilla missed "are" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 People need to remember with these threads, there is a right and wrong. Diversity and moreso racism are apparently not complex issues. There are certain people who will think they are right about all and we should just agree rather than have our differing opinions, or we will just be forced corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: I would be interested in what the causes of transgenderism. And if identified does it make sense to try and reverse the effects? eg as a hypothetical, if estrogen mimics in our drinking water affect certain people at critical moments in their development and nudges people's hormonal balances etc. er no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 This thread is absolutely barmy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 er no what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: er no what? What I think you are asking is, does drinking water 'turn' people transgender - which the logical answer is "er, no." Maybe you believe Alex Jones when he says the frogs are being turned gay by the water? In which case again, er no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: What I think you are asking is, does drinking water 'turn' people transgender - which the logical answer is "er, no." If you thought I was asking that then your answer makes sense. But I was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 6 hours ago, Sam-AVFC said: Before reading that yesterday I never knew 'Chandler's dad' was meant to be a trans character. Have you ever seen the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 5 hours ago, CVByrne said: Was my thoughts exactly. We just have to apologise for everything because something else we do and say now will obviously be not PC in a decade and we need to apologise for it. We currently have to apologise for being straight white males. We have special privileges we need to apologise for. I assume white gay people will need to apologise in a decade and so on. Cis gender women will be the ones in 20 years etc.. Absolute daily mail GBNews nonsense 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: Have you ever seen the show? Pretty sure I've seen every episode. I just assumed the character was a drag queen. Someone made a good point earlier about attending Chandler's wedding as a woman making it obvious it wasn't a retrospective plot choice. I guess me being a teenager from a small town before it was a hot topic I completely missed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, Sam-AVFC said: Pretty sure I've seen every episode. I just assumed the character was a drag queen. Someone made a good point earlier about attending Chandler's wedding as a woman making it obvious it wasn't a retrospective plot choice. I guess me being a teenager from a small town before it was a hot topic I completely missed this. Yeah sorry I misread the posts and thought you were saying you didn’t realise he was any form of transgender/drag/transvestite my bad. Ignore me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 I find it very strange that people see representation of different ethnicities/specialities on TV as a bad thing, regardless of how it came about 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Sam-AVFC said: This thread has gone so far off topic we're about 5 minutes away from someone complaining about Sainsbury's having a black family celebrating Christmas on an advert. Its a good debate from what i can see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Its a good debate from what i can see Example of a company trying to hard, it's just so obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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