KenjiOgiwara Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Lyon fans, VT'ers and YouTube hardly qualify as information. Yeah ofc. Hundreds of hours of empirical data, reported by those who normally have a pretty invested opinion in keeping the best players around. Not information. Makes sense. Too many typos now. Bed beckons. What a shit ending to a good football weekend. Edited September 13, 2020 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Pretty obvious, but if you intend to argue otherwise feel free. Oh go on then, why is it obvious? Let me guess, because Cash and Watkins are English? - yep you've proved me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, KenjiOgiwara said: Yeah ofc. Hundreds of hours of empirical data, reported by those who normally have a pretty invested in keeping the best players around. Not evidence. Makes sense. It's anecdotal evidence, which is next to useless. Football fans are thick as shit and slaves to their own biases. If anybody is collecting hours of empirical data it would be the scouting team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Pretty clear he doesn't have much to contribute with if Traore is what he suggests for securing our place in the PL. Do we just forget about ALL the other signings and incoming signings to make our point more dramatic? You realise that this doesn't actually make them disappear or fans forget them right? Edited September 13, 2020 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) One iffy signing on paper and now he’s a hack. hyperbole much Edited September 13, 2020 by CarryOnVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said: One iffy signing on paper and now he’s a hack. hyperbole much And it's not even an iffy signing on paper, it's a player who has performed for a team playing in the Champions League over the last three years, but perhaps wasn't his at his best the last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 After looking into 4 seasons before last Traore at centre forward has 1 goal in 2 games record many limited minutes games. If this is Lange pick in sense of fallen gun available at discount price could be good business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KMitch Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 Monday - Most of Villa Talk is pissed off and has their pitchforks out over a lack of signings so far Tuesday - Momentum on the mass hysteria continues into the night, then Percy confirms the Watkins bid/medical and the mood starts to shift into the sightly positive Wednesday - Watkins is confirmed, the usual suspects somehow continue to say it's a stupid signing, but most of the fanbase is slightly more relieved. It seems we've finally woken up! Thursday - The mood starts to turn sour again over a lack of new activity and fears over starting the season with no more signings continues to pick up steam. Friday - Percy & others confirm our negotiations over Martinez and Rashica, and now the mood is overwhelmingly positive. We somehow have ambition and guile in the transfer market again! Saturday - We beat ManUre in a friendly, reports that Martinez has arrived for a medical, Rashica negotiations continue, and the Premier League starts up again. Good times continue! Sunday - Reports from many sources emerge about large bids for Traore and somehow the boo boys have returned in force! Lack of ambition returns and some are calling for the new Sporting Director to be ousted already... What a joke this forum is at times!!! hahaha 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 He hasn't signed him yet f' gawd sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muriel Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Pretty obvious, but if you intend to argue otherwise feel free. It does not make any sense to split it up like that. Ultimately, one of them must be responsible for all transfers, it does not make sense to sometimes have Smith in charge and sometimes Lange. In recent announcements Villa has emphasized Dean Smith's role as a head coach, as well as stating in Lange's announcement that he only reports to Purslow. Of course no one will be brought in without talking to Smith, but I definitely think that Lange has been the guy with the final say on both Watkins and Cash. I am personally not impressed with the Traore signing, but I don't think it is fair to categorize our signings into Lange vs. Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Johnnyp Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Yeah ofc. Hundreds of hours of empirical data, reported by those who normally have a pretty invested opinion in keeping the best players around. Not information. Makes sense. Too many typos now. Bed beckons. What a shit ending to a good football weekend. You must be a mess dealing with actual real world problems if a signing of a player has ruined your weekend. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: After looking into 4 seasons before last Traore at centre forward has 1 goal in 2 games record many limited minutes games. If this is Lange pick in sense of fallen gun available at discount price could be good business For me this is the exact reason I am appalled at the signing. It is not a discount price!!!! We paid minimum 2X what anyone would pay for him. Again - I say this as a Lyon fan. Lyon fans are all saying this is daylight robbery by their chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paul514 Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 I am going to chime in knowing very little about the player but just looking at the lads stats and I will break them down to add something to the debate. Ajax (1 Season) 13 Goals, 6 Assists, 3074 minutes which works out to 34 full games. That is 19 goal contributions in 34 games. Lyon (All Seasons) 33 Goals, 17 Assists, 7649 minutes which works out to 85 full games. That is 50 goal contributions in 85 games. Lyon (Last season but included in the above stats) 4 Goals, 5 Assists, 1913 minutes which works out to 21 full games. That is a 9 goal contribution in 21 games. So that is the raw unarguable data on Bertrand Traore, I put in last seasons stats because people said he was so terrible. My conclusion based on his goal contributions is he should be a good signing. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Keyblade said: It's anecdotal evidence, which is next to useless. Football fans are thick as shit and slaves to their own biases. If anybody is collecting hours of empirical data it would be the scouting team. Don't agree with that. He was given a job by his club, his performances then showed whether he was up for the task. His stats and performances then showed he's not. That's not anecdotal at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 9 hours ago, av1 said: Oh go on then, why is it obvious? Let me guess, because Cash and Watkins are English? - yep you've proved me wrong. It would be mental to think a manager that's spent most of his career in the same league as these players, been the manager that bought the player and coached him in the division, had the say in whether we bought this player. Yeah, it's not obvious at all. Now ofc. it's possible Smith or Terry was the key people trying to bring Traore in, but based on what we saw with Jesus it's likely our DOF has a key role in what foreigners we look to bring in. It's pretty likely in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: It would be mental to think a manager that's spent most of his career in the same league as these players, been the manager that bought the player and coached him in the division, had the say in whether we bought this player. Yeah, it's not obvious at all. Now ofc. it's possible Smith or Terry was the key people trying to bring Traore in, but based on what we saw with Jesus it's likely our DOF has a key role in what foreigners we look to bring in. It's pretty likely in fact. Wait, so it can't be Terry knowing him and vouching for him, or him being on the radar for a while, but it surely must be Lange's signing, who has zero connection to the player or Lyon. because he's foreign and we've had a foreign director before him? Weird logic but then again you have to try overshadowing VillaLad's drivel somehow. I'd say the likeliest thing is that Lange has had very little impact on any of this summer's targets and signings. Edited September 14, 2020 by BG_Villa_Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) One thing is for sure. He cannot operate how he did at Copenhagen here. We need to stay in the league, which means we need ready made players. We need players that are able to perform now. Edited September 14, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, BG_Villa_Fan said: Wait, so it can't be Terry knowing him and vouching for him, or him being on the radar for a while, but it surely must be Lange's signing, who has zero connection to the player or Lyon. because he's foreign and we've had a foreign director before him? Weird logic but then again you have to try overshadowing VillaLad's drivel somehow. I'd say the likeliest thing is that Lange has had very little impact on any of this summer's targets and signings. Like I already stated it could be that, but I think it's more likely the new guy we brought in will get his say on some signings as it's a part of his job. Thus I think it's more likely scenario I put forward. I like how you can't help yourself with digs like the bolded bit though. Impressive arguementative technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted September 14, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Keener window-cleaner said: And it's not even an iffy signing on paper, it's a player who has performed for a team playing in the Champions League over the last three years, but perhaps wasn't his at his best the last season. Ducking stool proves he is a witch, burn him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 How on earth anyone can judge Lange's transfer performance before a ball has been kicked is beyond me. How anyone can judge his performance before the players have even been announced is just so Villa ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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