Popular Post ml1dch Posted May 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I half agree. But if the media stops asking the questions about Cummings it lets them off the hook and people forget about it. It'll run and run. Sure, talk about the Cummings story. Don't let up for a second. But less of the "tell us again which day they went out for their illegal picnic and which bush his child had a wee next to", because it allows them to contain the narrative to the event itself and making it about him, not them. Basically, less repetition, more development. Less "what happened", more "what it means". Edited May 26, 2020 by ml1dch 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villakram Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 Media hysteria/propaganda fail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 seems like the kind of thing our PM would do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xann Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 Tens of thousands of extra dead because of botchery, lies and lies and lies everyday, hiding lowering of standards behind the crisis, chums getting fat contracts with little scrutiny, then ****ing it up (Deloitte and KPMG getting medical work?). It would be worse under Corbyn they bleat. Breathtaking stupidity. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 How many months in are we now? Where is the tracking and isolating solution? They keep announcing new ways of opening things up without a way of preventing the next spike. Doing one without the other is condemning people to death. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Straggler said: How many months in are we now? Where is the tracking and isolating solution? They keep announcing new ways of opening things up without a way of preventing the next spike. Doing one without the other is condemning people to death. Exactly. We were locked down due to the risk of death and potential load on the NHS. This hasnt changed but now we are opening up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 Having heard the opening line from Newsnight last night, I was struck how easily people appear to have let Jack Grealish off the hook. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Is it 100% confirmed the day trip was his wife’s birthday as nobody else seems to pick up on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 14 hours ago, Sam-AVFC said: I know it has nothing to do with Europe. My point is the number of votes he got isn't evidence of anything apart from him being a poor campaigner and not politically savvy. It's a complete strawman. Speaking for myself, I supported him throughout his time as leader as he was always the better alternative and I didn't think it was constructive to batter the man for every tiny thing while excusing the actual party in power as it's what we expect from them. I definitely also got caught up in the siege mentality because of the amount of absolute bollocks being written about him. Also how much people were willing to excuse the government with pure selfish motives as they wore better suits. Fair enough mate. But in my view he was a terrible leader for labour. He was weak against a weak leader in may and even worse against johnson. Alot of his policies sucked. He was dithering on his stance with brexit. He was a shambles against antisemitism in the party. He massively let down alot of labour supporters. He was so unpopular even northerners who loathe conservatives voted for them over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 13 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Replace daily mail with any media outlet, the mail is just an easy one to throw in there. But then the same can be said about people saying the uk has the highest death rate in Europe believing what the media are saying so whats the difference? You cant say media influence how people vote then saying aomething else being fed to us ny the media! None of us know if the figures are being manipulated by other countries. Mexico for example they are having massive issues i suspect the death toll is a lot higher than beong reported and i think the same with some of our european friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Genie said: Is it 100% confirmed the day trip was his wife’s birthday as nobody else seems to pick up on it? I'm pretty sure. His wife's birthday is 12th April, I've googled that. And as far as I can tell Cummings himself has confirmed that was the day he went to Barnard Castle. I think the Mirror had it included in thier story but it's literally the on;y place I've seen it reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rolta Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: But then the same can be said about people saying the uk has the highest death rate in Europe believing what the media are saying so whats the difference? You cant say media influence how people vote then saying aomething else being fed to us ny the media! None of us know if the figures are being manipulated by other countries. Mexico for example they are having massive issues i suspect the death toll is a lot higher than beong reported and i think the same with some of our european friends A lot of obvious rags for years put out a relentless campaign to undermine Corbyn. I'm not sure it's exactly the same thing. Edited May 27, 2020 by Rolta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Rolta said: A lot of obvious rags for years put out a relentless campaign to undermine Corbyn. I'm not sure it's exactly the same thing. I also think its wrong to suggest the media influenced everyone's decision in not liking him. I simply do not accept that that much of the UK population voted against him purely based on what they read. He has to take responsibility for his performance i am afraid. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: But then the same can be said about people saying the uk has the highest death rate in Europe believing what the media are saying so whats the difference? They aren't numbers from the media. The media report the official figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: I also think its wrong to suggest the media influenced everyone's decision in not liking him. I simply do not accept that that much of the UK population voted against him purely based on what they read. Whilst I wasn't a big Corbyn fan myself, I think that is EXACTLY what happened. A huge amount of people will tell you they hate Corbyn, but if you ask them why they'll say they don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, StefanAVFC said: They aren't numbers from the media. The media report the official figures. But you missed the point where i stated how do we know other countries are not covering up their figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: But then the same can be said about people saying the uk has the highest death rate in Europe believing what the media are saying so whats the difference? The difference is that's not the media. Those are facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: Whilst I wasn't a big Corbyn fan myself, I think that is EXACTLY what happened A huge amount of people will tell you they hate Corbyn, but if you ask them why they'll say they don't know. Guess that depends on the people you speak with. The ones i spoke with stated it was because they had no faith in him being able to be a string leader that the country needs. Also that they didnt like his policies and the racism in the party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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