villaglint Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Absolutely. We have actually done pretty poorly since the first month or two after they became widely available. This isn't really widely discussed though, because 1) who wants to gainsay the government, and 2) no-one has any answers for persuading refuseniks anyway (other than waiting them out and gradually regulating them into a situation where they have no choice but to take the vaccine). Unfortunatley I think the more time passes the more entrenched the refuseniks become in their position. I have a friend who was always a slightly odd chap (especially when pissed) but hes extremely bright and has a very well paying job. He's decided not to have the vaccine because he has a heart condition and he thinks the vaccine is more of a risk than getting covid would be! But beyond that over the course of the last 18 months he's become a full on YT nutter. He really believes we are living in what is essentially North Korea. No amount of time or regulation is going to change his opinion. The only thing which will alter their view I think is getting Covid and getting ill enough it changes their opinion. I know one antivaccer (early 40s and very fit) who nearly died and then thought better of it and got the vaccine. Edited December 7, 2021 by villaglint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 7, 2021 Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2021 48 minutes ago, Chindie said: The Pfizer jab gave me a dead arm for a couple of days both times. But I suspect a fair whack of that is down to how it's administered, together with my having a clotting issue which means injuries are worse for me these days. I spoke to a doctor last week (he was a passenger) who thought the same tbh but yesterday it was specifically mentioned to me as a side effect by the lady administering the vaccination. She even went as far to say that my arm would feel more sore with Moderna than it did with AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 7, 2021 Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Genie said: We have plenty now still but have run out of willing participants Think that's a bit OTT. At least where I live it's more a case of being able to get a slot. Mine is next week, but there's nowhere near the same capacity available - last times I walked to a hospital up the road a 100 yards from my house, for next week I have to travel to a nearby town and get it. There's nowhere in the town I live doing jags this time. Nor the next one along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, blandy said: Think that's a bit OTT. At least where I live it's more a case of being able to get a slot. Mine is next week, but there's nowhere near the same capacity available - last times I walked to a hospital up the road a 100 yards from my house, for next week I have to travel to a nearby town and get it. There's nowhere in the town I live doing jags this time. Nor the next one along. Loads of places round here accepting walk-ins. Lots of social media encouragement that it’s not too late etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 7, 2021 Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Genie said: Loads of places round here accepting walk-ins. Lots of social media encouragement that it’s not too late etc. About the messaging - I just yahooglemooneyed booster vaccines and found this from NHS lancashire Quote The NHS will let you know when it's your turn to have a booster dose. It's important not to contact the NHS for one before then. There are also appeals for people to volunteer to administer the injections, because they have more demand than capacity, so it's obviously a bit of a mixed picture, depending where you live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 7, 2021 Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, blandy said: About the messaging - I just yahooglemooneyed booster vaccines and found this from NHS lancashire There are also appeals for people to volunteer to administer the injections, because they have more demand than capacity, so it's obviously a bit of a mixed picture, depending where you live. Those webpages are out of date, I've been getting sent emails by the two different chemists I've had jabs with so far, both saying as long as you are eligible you can just walk up. When I went yesterday, first question, do you have an appointment or not. They are geared up to do walk-ins. The NHS website is shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, blandy said: About the messaging - I just yahooglemooneyed booster vaccines and found this from NHS lancashire There are also appeals for people to volunteer to administer the injections, because they have more demand than capacity, so it's obviously a bit of a mixed picture, depending where you live. I was talking about initial vaccinations, not boosters. You still have to book the boosters I believe but not 100%. Edited December 7, 2021 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Now 3 tests to travel to the UK. only from the government approved list populated by their mates of course. id love to know the scientific reasoning for free NHS tests not being allowed. It’s because travel is a luxury and the public funded tests should be reserved for people who need them. It’s the same policy here in “socialist” Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 You’d have to be nearly fluent in ancient Greek and advanced quantum physics to decipher the information and various rules, but I believe the new restrictions put in place in Norway means we can’t have our work xmas party on friday. It’s a load of cowardly h********t, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I went to Spain in October and when we returned, but before I had chance to do my private day 2 PCR test me and the wife both got pinged to say we’d been in contact with someone who’d tested positive for covid and we needed to do a government PCR test. That was a waste of £172 then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 hours ago, villaglint said: Unfortunatley I think the more time passes the more entrenched the refuseniks become in their position. In the US of A, the standpoint seems to be that it's best not to trust any drug which is exempt from legal liability. The fact that the definition of a vaccine has been changed to make any mandate more legally viable, is not encouraging. Such things as the Tuskegee syphilis study hardly provides much basis for fostering trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: It’s because travel is a luxury and the public funded tests should be reserved for people who need them. It’s the same policy here in “socialist” Sweden. No, that's not it. Anyone can get free tests, and there is absolutely no shortage, we've got millions and millions and millions of them. It's purely a revenue-raising exercise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 58 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: It's purely a revenue-raising exercise. … for their friends and donors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: No, that's not it. Anyone can get free tests, and there is absolutely no shortage, we've got millions and millions and millions of them. It's purely a revenue-raising exercise. Travel is a luxury. Tell that to my sister who went through cancer and I didn’t see and my ageing parents. Edited December 7, 2021 by StefanAVFC 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Travel is a luxury. Tell that to my sister who went through cancer and I didn’t see and my ageing parents. Sorry to hear. It doesn't particularly compare, but my parents didn't see my nephew between the age of one and three years old (the latter of those being six weeks ago) due to travel restrictions. Hardly the end of the world, but for grandparents in their 70s, that doesn't really feel like something all that frivolous. Or luxurious. Edited December 7, 2021 by ml1dch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 What are the consequences of ignoring govt advice on giving their mates £99 to do a test I can do for free to re-enter the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted December 7, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 7, 2021 53 minutes ago, a m ole said: What are the consequences of ignoring govt advice on giving their mates £99 to do a test I can do for free to re-enter the country? None, they’re not going to keep up with the tracking even if they try. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 6 hours ago, ml1dch said: Sorry to hear. It doesn't particularly compare, but my parents didn't see my nephew between the age of one and three years old (the latter of those being six weeks ago) due to travel restrictions. Hardly the end of the world, but for grandparents in their 70s, that doesn't really feel like something all that frivolous. Or luxurious. I’m in a similar position, trying to travel to the U.K. this Christmas to see my parents for the first time since 2019 and bringing my kids, one of which my parents have never met. It makes sense to me that the NHS shouldn’t have to pay for my testing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Incidentally, this is the news that Javid was supposed to be touring today, before the scum realised that he would probably just be asked about other things instead Little public service announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 8, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, El Zen said: You’d have to be nearly fluent in ancient Greek and advanced quantum physics to decipher the information and various rules, but I believe the new restrictions put in place in Norway means we can’t have our work xmas party on friday. In my working days I'd quite often have been glad of a pandemic to cancel a few of our excruciating office parties. Edited December 8, 2021 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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