mottaloo Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 09:45, Ingram85 said: I always love Xmas dinner with family even if it’s the same thing every year. I think it’s because as an adult you don’t get the same buzz as you do as a kid so at least if I’m at moms and my brother and his family is there its just nice to have everyone together. I used to love the build up but working shifts kills that buzz now. Working in town always helped with that sense of excitement too. Hope you didn't try and have a drink in town too, cos.....you know the rules. Mate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted December 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 21:09, foreveryoung said: Planned to go the local pub for Christmas dinner this year, went to book 1st of November in plenty of time and they were fully booked already, you cannot imagine my p****ed off ness. I'm just so bored of the same old, dinner at the table with all the trimmings and the family. Thought it would be good to go the pub with some atmosphere, bloody mugged it now. Remind me to book for next year in Jan. been out a couple of times for xmas lunch. much prefer at home or at a family member's house. xmas lunch out can easily be a 4 hour event as they tend to serve each course to the whole place together. it takes forever and basically means you spend half of xmas day there. wasn't much atmosphere either as everyone's just at their own tables with their families etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Frank Capra's perennial Christmas classic, It's A Wonderful Life, is about white privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Frank Capra's perennial Christmas classic, It's A Wonderful Life, is about white privilege. Explain please. George Bailey is practically a socialist in terms of hollywood films. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Explain please. George Bailey is practically a socialist in terms of hollywood films. The denouement shows he possesses a huge amount of social capital, which the minorities in the film are shown not to possess. Does the portrayal of the villain Potter in a wheelchair, imply his moral failure is linked to his handicap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 minute ago, MakemineVanilla said: The denouement shows he possesses a huge amount of social capital, which the minorities in the film are shown not to possess. Does the portrayal of the villain Potter in a wheelchair, imply his moral failure is linked to his handicap? Verily, the Lord did smite him with an affliction for his sins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 51 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Verily, the Lord did smite him with an affliction for his sins. What is interesting about Capra's villain is how he is shown to be corrupt in isolation, where in more contemporary portrayals of corrupting influences (The Shield and The Wire, say), the whole community becomes corrupted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2021 It's basically a remake of "A Christmas Carol", with George Bailey as Bob Cratchit, Potter as Scrooge and Clarence as the ghost of Christmas future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, mjmooney said: It's basically a remake of "A Christmas Carol", with George Bailey as Bob Cratchit, Potter as Scrooge and Clarence as the ghost of Christmas future. If there was one thing which could prompt me to join you in disliking Dickens, it would be A Christmas Carol - the sentimentality and manipulation is revolting. Edited December 14, 2021 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: Verily, the Lord did smite him with an affliction for his sins. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: If there was one thing which could prompt me to join you in a disliking Dickens, it would be A Christmas Carol - the sentimentality and manipulation is revolting. It's the only Dickens story that I like. Only in The Muppets version, though. The book is as unreadable as the rest of his ghastly oeuvre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, mjmooney said: It's the only Dickens story that I like. Only in The Muppets version, though. The book is as unreadable as the rest of his ghastly oeuvre. Reliving O level nightmares ? I'm the same with Thomas Hardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 2 hours ago, MakemineVanilla said: The denouement shows he possesses a huge amount of social capital, which the minorities in the film are shown not to possess. Does the portrayal of the villain Potter in a wheelchair, imply his moral failure is linked to his handicap? Potter is actually the films good guy , who then inexplicable turns bad and steals the money from Bailey But regardless of how Potter became a stockholder, Peter Bailey has a fiduciary duty to him to run the business for maximum profit, providing Potter and the other stockholders a return on their investments, something George Bailey confirms they never intended to do. Instead, the Baileys squander their investors’ money on a do-gooder, subprime loan scheme to make everyone a homeowner. It worked out in fictional Bedford Falls about as well as it did in early 2000s America. Meanwhile, the Baileys constantly slander Potter’s rental houses as “overpriced slums.” These are the same Baileys whose housing opportunities are more expensive than Potter’s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, mottaloo said: Reliving O level nightmares ? I'm the same with Thomas Hardy My probably unpopular opinion is that Jude the Obscure is a great read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, mottaloo said: Reliving O level nightmares ? I'm the same with Thomas Hardy We didn’t do ANY Dickens at school. Nothing. It’s mildly curious because I know the basic plots of his novels more than any other author. Of course everything I know is from tv or film adaptations, with the exception of A Christmas Carol which I read because the family has a copy of it and thought it would be quick, simple read. I saw the 1976 adaptation of “The Signalman” the other day on BBC four. Quite enjoyed it as it goes, to the point that I’d probably give the short story a read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Potter is actually the films good guy , who then inexplicable turns bad and steals the money from Bailey That is an amazing analysis and just shows how the sentimentality completely obscures the actual narrative which emerges in the dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted December 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) It's a wonderful life (It's a wonderful film, but the more I watch it the more I want Potter to succeed, not least when that lot up the road come out into the street every New Year's Eve, drunk on Ptolemy's Hock, hugging each other and going 'hee-haw-hee-hawww'...) Every time a bell rings I hate you some more Every time a bell rings I hate you some more Every time a bell rings I hate you some more Every time a bell rings Thanks Nigel. Edited December 14, 2021 by Designer1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 All of you mother **** even coming close to criticising George Bailey will be on a **** list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: My probably unpopular opinion is that Jude the Obscure is a great read. Did you retire the book after you read it ? Mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, mottaloo said: Reliving O level nightmares ? I'm the same with Thomas Hardy As with @Mark Albrighton, we did no Dickens at school. Most of what I know of the plots comes from BBC TV adaptations. Usually in b&w, shown on a Sunday evening, thus associated with Monday morning, and deeply depressing. We did however do Hardy - 'Far From the Madding Crowd' for O-level. I actually thought it was pretty good. And at least his characters didn't have names like Mr Pumplesnicket and Mrs Tosswobble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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