Popular Post KentVillan Posted October 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2019 Southgate has to explain the following decisions: Why does Pickford get the nod for his ballplaying skills, but Keane gets in ahead of Mings? I'd rather have a clogger in goal than a clogger at CB. It's irrational to wank over Pickford's distribution, and then pick a defence of fat morris dancers. Those ballplaying keepers like Ederson and Alisson are the icing on the cake, after you've built a team who can dominate games. Classic example of Southgate copying the top managers, but not understanding why they do it. Keane is **** pants and a backward step for English football if he gets anywhere near our starting lineup in a Euro or WC finals. Mings is unproven, yes, but he's much closer to the ballplaying style that Southgate wants, and defensively light years ahead of Keane, who seems to lack the game intelligence to react to anything unexpected. Belongs in a Steve Bruce team. Why is Grealish still nowhere near the squad, but Mason Mount is starting after 8 decent PL games? I have no beef with Mount at all - very good player. But if you're happy to gamble on Mount on the basis of a couple of loan seasons in Eredivisie and Championship, and then a (probably unsustainable) run of form at Chelsea, it again calls into question Southgate's logic. Why play two holding midfielders against a weak Czech Rep attack? Czech Republic attacking midfield three was Masopust (Slavia Prague), Darida (Hertha Berlin), Jankto (Sampdoria). These are not world class playmakers who need to be kept under lock and key for 90 mins. I don't mind Rice or Henderson, but it clearly made sense to just play one of them in a 4-1-4-1 / 4-3-3. Are Trippier and Rose really better than TAA and Chilwell? I don't see it. If he's so keen to integrate young, technically gifted players into his long-term vision, why doesn't Phil Foden get a look in? I don't think Pep is bullshitting when he says this lad is the most talented player of his age he's ever worked with. I get that he doesn't start much for City, but he's the future of this England setup, and has more Premier League experience than Mount. In fairness to Southgate... A lot of his underperforming players are in positions where we don't have many options. That's the nature of international management. Keane was very poor tonight, but it's not like we have a wealth of fit, proven talent there. You can completely understand him not wanting to gamble on Mings. Likewise, in goal, it's not like England has one standout performer. Personally I think Southgate is a bang average manager whose one redeeming feature is that he knows how to stop journalists from destroying players during a major tournament. Given what an utter bunch of words removed most English football journalists are, his skill in that area is pretty important. But I can't see him winning a match with his tactical brilliance. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 The only reason I can see for his persistence with rice and Henderson is he thinks they're the answer for when we play the likes of Belgium again and he wants a 30 cap partnership in there when it happens, they haven't been needed for the last 4/5 games or really shown anything to suggest they are that answer anyway He's starting to look a bit stubborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Seems to be common opinion that Keane is shit so not just Villa bias He was so bad at Villa Park, only Andre Gomes performance cut him some slack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 The crack are there for all to see. Our defence is woeful. Alex-Arnold is aruguably the best young right back in world football yet Trippier starts ahead of him. Rose should be nowhere near an England shirt. He's a liability for his club. Southgate is starting to show how limited he is as manager. he is stuck in his ways, has his favourites. Won't pick Jack when hes the type of player England don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 What the **** has Tammy got to do? Most in form striker and he gets 2 minutes ago Kane can do **** all but put away his customary penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: What the **** has Tammy got to do? Most in form striker and he gets 2 minutes ago Kane can do **** all but put away his customary penalty. Southgate has made mistakes, but keeping his captain, goal scorer and probably most creative player (last night) in the team, is not one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Not enough energy in midfield, No pressing and just sitting deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 12 hours ago, KentVillan said: Southgate has to explain the following decisions: Why does Pickford get the nod for his ballplaying skills, but Keane gets in ahead of Mings? I'd rather have a clogger in goal than a clogger at CB. It's irrational to wank over Pickford's distribution, and then pick a defence of fat morris dancers. Those ballplaying keepers like Ederson and Alisson are the icing on the cake, after you've built a team who can dominate games. Classic example of Southgate copying the top managers, but not understanding why they do it. Keane is **** pants and a backward step for English football if he gets anywhere near our starting lineup in a Euro or WC finals. Mings is unproven, yes, but he's much closer to the ballplaying style that Southgate wants, and defensively light years ahead of Keane, who seems to lack the game intelligence to react to anything unexpected. Belongs in a Steve Bruce team. Why is Grealish still nowhere near the squad, but Mason Mount is starting after 8 decent PL games? I have no beef with Mount at all - very good player. But if you're happy to gamble on Mount on the basis of a couple of loan seasons in Eredivisie and Championship, and then a (probably unsustainable) run of form at Chelsea, it again calls into question Southgate's logic. Why play two holding midfielders against a weak Czech Rep attack? Czech Republic attacking midfield three was Masopust (Slavia Prague), Darida (Hertha Berlin), Jankto (Sampdoria). These are not world class playmakers who need to be kept under lock and key for 90 mins. I don't mind Rice or Henderson, but it clearly made sense to just play one of them in a 4-1-4-1 / 4-3-3. Are Trippier and Rose really better than TAA and Chilwell? I don't see it. If he's so keen to integrate young, technically gifted players into his long-term vision, why doesn't Phil Foden get a look in? I don't think Pep is bullshitting when he says this lad is the most talented player of his age he's ever worked with. I get that he doesn't start much for City, but he's the future of this England setup, and has more Premier League experience than Mount. In fairness to Southgate... A lot of his underperforming players are in positions where we don't have many options. That's the nature of international management. Keane was very poor tonight, but it's not like we have a wealth of fit, proven talent there. You can completely understand him not wanting to gamble on Mings. Likewise, in goal, it's not like England has one standout performer. Personally I think Southgate is a bang average manager whose one redeeming feature is that he knows how to stop journalists from destroying players during a major tournament. Given what an utter bunch of words removed most English football journalists are, his skill in that area is pretty important. But I can't see him winning a match with his tactical brilliance. Great post. I'm glad I don't care, something else to not get wound up about, and of course I'd be happy if Villa players never got picked again (for all countries) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 17 hours ago, sne said: First play off loss in 10 years for England apparently. 43 games straight until tonight. Pretty solid record. It's an extremely good record - I believe it was the best in the world, though maybe somebody can correct me - which is why some of the posts in this thread are too overreactive. Yes, it was a bad result and a really bad performance, but we're generally really good in qualifying games these days. Let's see how we get on against Bulgaria before getting too angry. That said, I think @KentVillan makes good points above about the peculiarities of Southgate's recent team selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordVillan Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I think England are in danger of over hyping some of the youth, and to some degree I think Southgate is using youth as a bit of a shield. Mistakes are being made and that defeat has been coming. Obviously it’s not panic stations or crisis time but there are some odd decisions and explanations coming from Southgate. You’ll never convince me that Michael Keane is better than Tyrone Mings, or that Mason Mount or Ross Barkley are better than Jack Grealish. You’ll also never convince me as to why Trippier & Rose were selected ahead of AlexanderArnold and Chilwell. There were a number of starting England players that are out of form at clubs who are currently struggling when compared to their normal showings. Rose, Keane, Rashford for starters. Rice not exactly pulling up trees. The formation and selection was crap, the performance was crap. Defence hasn’t been solid for a while. Plenty of work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Davkaus said: What the **** has Tammy got to do? Most in form striker and he gets 2 minutes ago Kane can do **** all but put away his customary penalty. Kane was actually pretty good in that game, starting attacks from deep etc. Tammy wouldn't have done anything in this setup. It's like asking why Jack isn't getting in the team ahead of Sterling. Different levels. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Kane was actually pretty good in that game, starting attacks from deep etc. Tammy wouldn't have done anything in this setup. It's like asking why Jack isn't getting in the team ahead of Sterling. Different levels. Kane shouldn't be dropping deep, if meant we had nobody in a forward position as other attacking players cake deep too. Abraham would be better because he'd cause the defence problems and give somebody for Sterling to link with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 We have a lot of very fine young players but the cracks were there defensively in the previous home game so no suprise we lost. Can’t really be picking players who are totally out of form with their club sides. Was Abraham brought on late just so he now has to choose England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 hours ago, rjw63 said: Great post. I'm glad I don't care, something else to not get wound up about, and of course I'd be happy if Villa players never got picked again (for all countries) Thank you - yep I think Jack has dodged a bullet to some extent. I hate international the breaks. However, I suppose England call ups will boost our players' value, encourage them to see Villa as a long-term career option, and make us a more attractive club for other players to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 just got back from prague, i was their for abgt350 trance gig, spoke to lots of england fans om way home. everyone paid no passion , played to defensive, kepper was not at it, bout it, 14 arrests. i had a great time tho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 22:32, ciggiesnbeer said: Southgate is crap but we need him to stay in this job. The FA will simply scramble for the best Premier League English manager after Southgate gets the boot and even they are not dumb enough to give it to Lampard which leaves us nervously looking at our manager. I dont care how badly the national team fails, I just want Villa to be unaffected by his bumbling so Southgate for England I say It's obviously going to be Eddie Howe. Not sure if he'd be ready for it even in years time but he has far more experience at top level than Dean Smith has. Brendan Rodgers might be outside tip but difficult to see him leaving Leicester if they make the top 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Henry winters answer is to get gomez who doesn't start for Liverpool in there And a midfield of Henderson Mount and Winks **** me... TAA and Chilwell getting a nod is a no brainer at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Midfield is a big problem for England. We have too many who play “specialist positions” ie number 10 (Jack, Mount, Maddison) and dm (rice, dier, Henderson) etc. We don’t have your atypical English box to box midfielder, which in some has probably fuelled Jack’s recent comments that that is his best position. This means we try to shoe horn players into the side in a position they aren’t used to playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 hours ago, cbr600rr said: just got back from prague, i was their for abgt350 trance gig, spoke to lots of england fans om way home. everyone paid no passion , played to defensive, kepper was not at it, bout it, 14 arrests. i had a great time tho @Demitri_C has cloned your account, I claim my £5 prize. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Paraphrasing a Southgate quote on the bbc The problem is these players are not in form for their clubs That's a big step in to the just as shit as the rest of them category, don't **** pick them then you clearing in the woods! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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