Bazmonkey Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, Paul33 said: I know I'm in a minority here but never have rated Luiz. I think he's a lazy player who occasionally excels on the ball but often doesn't and is a complete liability when we are not in possession. Fans were raging at Luiz not starting last night but Gerrard knew we needed 10 players who would work very hard when Arsenal were on the ball and that ruled out Luiz and Coutinho. At this point in time, we simply can't carry luxury players like Luiz so £20M would be a decent trade for me ! PS: If we trade him for Gallagher at Chelsea then trade of the decade for sure !!! I kind of get what you are saying......i think he is a good player but definetely a bit hyped on here. For me, Luiz has shown he is a very good technical player.....but struggles with the defensive side and positional play. I always get the feeling he is here but never really wanted to be here...the city work permit kind of forced his move and he probably thought he would go to a better team....though he has been professional about it. Likewise, if he went to Arsenal, he would probably look better with better players around him. If he goes...he goes...my main concern id the replacement...needs to equally as good and better which judging from the news...is not looking good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 But what's this idea that Luiz is some sort of great 'eight' based on? He's hardly ever played as an eight in his career, none of the clubs that he's played for have seen fit to play him in that position, it's not even if his skill set suits that position, just seems to be a fantasy that's taken hold of people's thoughts because it's been repeated so many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazmonkey Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Luiz to Arsenal done...according to my Gunner mate who is in the know. #justsaying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, useless said: McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Dendoncker and Nakamba is a much better midfield than McGinn, Ramsey,, Luiz, and Nakamba In fact it's not even close, Kamara alone is a big improvement on Luiz. No it really isn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, useless said: But what's this idea that Luiz is some sort of great 'eight' based on? + performances against Man City etc. The salient point isn't that he's widely being called "great" either, just that he deserves his place in the side rather than both Ramsey and McGinn starting in midfield which is evidently not working. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2022 I'd have taken £20m in the summer, but it's too late now. We need him, desperately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 It really really is, and not sure how anyone could possibly argue any different, unless they're way overrating Luiz, Kamara is way better than him as a DM, and frankly probably way better than him as a 'eight', so replacing Luiz with Kamara alone makes our midfield better than it was last season but in addition to that we've also added a very capable midfielder in Dendoncker, so of course our midfield options are better this season than they were last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Just now, useless said: It really really is, and not sure how anyone could possibly argue any different, unless they're way overrating Luiz, Kamara is way better than him as a DM, and frankly probably way better than him as a 'eight', so replacing Luiz with Kamara alone makes our midfield better than it was last season but in addition to that we've also added a very capable midfielder in Dendoncker, so of course our midfield options are better this season than they were last season. But.. Kamara is in both lists. and Luiz is better than the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Just now, useless said: It really really is, and not sure how anyone could possibly argue any different, unless they're way overrating Luiz, Kamara is way better than him as a DM, and frankly probably way better than him as a 'eight', so replacing Luiz with Kamara alone makes our midfield better than it was last season but in addition to that we've also added a very capable midfielder in Dendoncker, so of course our midfield options are better this season than they were last season. But why, 3 months after Kamara joined and even the manager saying Dougie was out of position last season are you suddenly making it out to be Luiz Vs Kamara? It's clearly Luiz Vs Dendoncker and our midfield is better with Luiz in it over Dendoncker on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Please only sell Luiz if someone else is joining alongside Dendoncker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Because someone listed our midfield options without Luiz and called it 'tragic', I'm pointing out that our midfield options are actually better now than they were last season because Kamara is clearly an upgrade on what we had. If Luiz goes we will have lost him but gained Kamara and Dendoncker, I'd take Kamara and Dendoncker as optons over Luiz every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Disappointed to see him go, a positive is that he will move on for a profit which further proves buying young players and developing them is the way. If Sanson wasn’t in exile I would feel happier about this transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 1 minute ago, useless said: Because someone listed our midfield options without Luiz and called it 'tragic', I'm pointing out that our midfield options are actually better now than they were last season because Kamara is clearly an upgrade on what we had. If Luiz goes we will have lost him but gained Kamara and Dendoncker, I'd take Kamara and Dendoncker as optons over Luiz every time. Oh my god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 51 minutes ago, Paul33 said: I know I'm in a minority here but never have rated Luiz. I think he's a lazy player who occasionally excels on the ball but often doesn't and is a complete liability when we are not in possession. Fans were raging at Luiz not starting last night but Gerrard knew we needed 10 players who would work very hard when Arsenal were on the ball and that ruled out Luiz and Coutinho. At this point in time, we simply can't carry luxury players like Luiz so £20M would be a decent trade for me ! PS: If we trade him for Gallagher at Chelsea then trade of the decade for sure !!! Luiz isn't a luxury player. He get's through more work productive work in the midfield than both McGinn and Ramsey. Your talking out your arse. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Really glad to lose him on the last day of the window with no actual replacement of his skill set, Congratulations all round everyone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, useless said: Because someone listed our midfield options without Luiz and called it 'tragic', I'm pointing out that our midfield options are actually better now than they were last season because Kamara is clearly an upgrade on what we had. If Luiz goes we will have lost him but gained Kamara and Dendoncker, I'd take Kamara and Dendoncker as optons over Luiz every time. Yeah but no one listens to you because your useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Gutted with this, tbf. We're a **** shambles at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Along with Trez he was the unsung hero of the relegation scrap .To say he is not hardworking , go back and watch any of those games in project restart his tracking and breaking up of play was outstanding. Top clubs want him for a reason and we are where we are as he has not been played this season and the game he did start as soon as he went off we crumbled.The look on his face when he sat on bench afterwards was enough to tell you he was pissed off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 It makes economic sense to sell rather than allow him to go on a free. Our disappointment is we see a player that, if allowed to play in his natural position, is an asset to the club. But two successive managers have hardly played him where he naturally plays. I'm not surprised it's Arsenal pushing. Arteta coached him at Man City so knows the player he can or could be. The issue here isn't that he's likely to be sold, BUT that our recruiting regards a replacement is likley to be piss poor and whoever we sign one again will be, like Dougie, played out of position due to managerial stubbornness in his midfield lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Hope we get £45 million out of them if he does go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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