omariqy Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Konsa and Cahill/Tuanzebe please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, thabucks said: Konsa has very similar stats as Axel. Axel is more highly rated, proven at this level and is hands down the better of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: Is that a No from you then? Please try to make yourself clear on this!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: Reports today ( don't know how credible ) that Man Utd will allow Tuanzebe to return on a season long loan! They will sanction another Loan depending if they strengthen further in defence first. If it happens I hope we have a release clause in there. Him and Konsa for a combined £12m would be absolutely fantastic! Edited July 10, 2019 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 It's a No to Tuanzebe for me. Unless they agree an option to buy, which they probably won't, then I'd tell them to sling their hooks. Although Tuanzebe was good for us in the Championship, he's still largely unproven in the Prem, so there are plenty of better or similar alternatives available that won't result in us, yet again, improving another team's player. Get lost Man Utd! We'll be loaning you our players next year! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Axel is more highly rated, proven at this level and is hands down the better of the two. Erm no he is not proven at this level at all... Axel’s 5 games in the prem I’d give you over Konsa 0 but that doesn’t mean he is proven though. And the fact he is more highly rated probs is because he is at Man Utd .... Not sure who the better players is and would be happy with both / either ... just pointing out there stats were comparable ... Edited July 10, 2019 by thabucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Axel is more highly rated, proven at this level and is hands down the better of the two. Might be a bit of a stretch. He has 5 appearances in the PL, a total of 305 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mazrim said: Why would we take Axel back? Not without a deal agreed and that contract he signed makes that a non starter. If he signed the contract just to get Man Utd more money they can do one. Why? Cause he is the next Paul McGrath. A RTB deal has to be thrown in or it's baffling. I disagree. Man Utd cannot do one because that is how football works. Delph did it for us. Call me nuts but I would give Man Utd £30m for him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted July 10, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2019 Offer them a year's loan with a £30m option at the end. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Not to sure about that lad from Brentford. I guess I'm a little Comsi Konsa about the whole deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 Where has this £30m valuation come from? Would be a comical sum to pay for him. Fwiw I have no real issue with the odd loan as it frees up money to spend in other areas like DCM and winger. Squad still need massive improvements if we hope to stay up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, thabucks said: Erm no he is not proven at this level at all... 5 games in the prem I’d give you over Konsa 0.. The fact he is more highly rated probs is because he is at Man Utd .... Not sure who the better players is and would be happy with both / either ... just pointing out there stats were comparable ... Rubbish. Did you see any of those games Axel featured in? Those 5 games showed enough imo. Konsa is promising but not a 1st choice CB for me and still has that edge first touch imo. Maybe because he is at Man Utd he is highly rated but I would disagree. A player is a player and is as good as he is regardless of the club he is at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted July 10, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 minute ago, sne said: Where has this £30m valuation come from? Would be a comical sum to pay for him. Fwiw I have no real issue with the odd loan as it frees up money to spend in other areas like DCM and winger. Squad still need massive improvements if we hope to stay up. Optional £30m would be ideal. If he has a successful loan in the Prem with us £30m will be a good deal next summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, sne said: Where has this £30m valuation come from? Would be a comical sum to pay for him. Fwiw I have no real issue with the odd loan as it frees up money to spend in other areas like DCM and winger. Squad still need massive improvements if we hope to stay up. The £30m has came from my opinion of the player, how highly I rate him and how much I would be prepared to pay at this moment in time if it where down to me. When we are seeing quotes of £18m-£20m for unprovem PL championship defenders and players then I'd say Axel is worth that little bit more. England international in the waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) Edit: way too slow on most of these points. 11 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Axel is more highly rated Agreed, but so what? I think Axel could be quality, but don't think he would get anywhere near as much attention if he didn't play for Utd. 11 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: proven at this level 5 games total in the PL playing with far better players than he would with us - not a big enough sample size IMO. Weren't a couple of these appearances also in midfield? He has a total of 35 senior appearances against Konsa's 113 at pretty much the exact same age so while he may have more (albeit very little) of the mythical PL experience, he has far less playing time. 11 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: hands down the better of the two. This is subjective, but fair enough. I don't necessarily disagree, but I only watched Konsa 2/3 times last season against pretty much every one of Axel's appearances. I might feel differently if I had watched every game from both, but don't feel I'm in a great position to judge. I think Axel is absolutely class, but they also strike me as similar players and I doubt many of us watched enough of each to make a truly unbiased judgement. I appreciate a lot of people watch more football than me though so apologies if you have seen him play a lot more. Edited July 10, 2019 by Sam-AVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) Not that it matters but according to Transfermarks in the 4 games Axel featured for Manure in the PL (the 5th was a 1 min sub appearance) he played RB once and DCM the other 3. Edited July 10, 2019 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Rubbish. Did you see any of those games Axel featured in? Those 5 games showed enough imo. Konsa is promising but not a 1st choice CB for me and still has that edge first touch imo. Maybe because he is at Man Utd he is highly rated but I would disagree. A player is a player and is as good as he is regardless of the club he is at. Reece oxford says hi, he had a run of good games a few seasons ago... anyway not really interested in debating the values of 5 supposedly good performances how many seasons ago... Both had comparable stats last season and yes I agree Axel is probs the better player of the two but long term who knows .. Edited July 10, 2019 by thabucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: Agreed, but so what? So what? I think we would be more comfortable seeing Axel and Mings opposed to Konsa Mings imo anyway. 10 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: I think Axel could be quality, but don't think he would get anywhere near as much attention if he didn't play for Utd. It's irrelevant who he plays for imo. 10 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: 5 games total in the PL playing with far better players than he would with us - not a big enough sample size IMO. Weren't a couple of these appearances also in midfield? He has a total of 35 senior appearances against Konsa's 113 at pretty much the exact same age so while he may have more (albeit very little) of the mythical PL experience, he has far less playing time. This is subjective, but fair enough. I don't necessarily disagree, but I only watched Konsa 2/3 times last season against pretty much every one of Axel's appearances. I might feel differently if I had watched every game from both, but don't feel I'm in a great position to judge. I think Axel is absolutely class, but they also strike me as similar players and I doubt many of us watched enough of each to make a truly unbiased judgement. I appreciate a lot of people watch more football than me though so apologies if you have seen him play a lot more. Without having to justify the player anymore than I already have clear across the past however many pages and threads etc. I think it would be best to turn the attention to Axel's thread. I will add, In those few games he played he was solid, one of them keeping an on form Alexis Sanchez (who was scoring for fun at the time for Arsenal) in his pocket during that game. I have not seen Konsa perform at that level or any level with glowing praise, or I guess I would have the same opinion of him. An added value comes that Mings and him formed a solid partnership which also helps bed in quicker. Edited July 10, 2019 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, thabucks said: Reece oxford says hi, he had a run of good games a few seasons ago... Hi, I didn't realise we were after Oxford though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Hi, I didn't realise we were after Oxford though? Before Oxford - if you coming along the M40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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