colhint Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Yes of course they should. But they should also be independent. If they are not then it's a slippery slope towards government controlled TV. They already have programmes like Panorama which can investigate all aspects of wrongdoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 9, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: He can say what he wants for all I care, but relating anything to the Nazis is a no no, you can't do this. There you go again, not reading what others have posted before you (more than once). You will find upthread comments from historians and Germans that explain why the Government rhetoric is exactly like that used by the Nazis in the early 30s. This isn’t so much an opinion, it’s demonstrably true. So in your humble opinion, you can’t compare things to the Nazis even when they are just like the Nazis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 When refugees were attempting to run for their lives from Nazi Germany, they would often try to cross in to Switzerland. But they would be stopped at the border, and told ‘the boat is full’. Stop the boats. Sue Ellen has said there are 100 million refugees heading here and patriots would support here plan to repel them. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you should definitely mention ducks when describing it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Are you suggesting Europe is so bad people are running from it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted March 10, 2023 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2023 12 hours ago, colhint said: Isn't it about impartiality though. You can't really have the highest earner on one of the most popular shows giving personal opinions. The beeb shouldn't be seen as pro or against any government. ITV Could and so could channel four and five. They are not paid for by the taxpayer. The beeb charter means it gets its money for being independent. Yes you can, is anyone under the impression that Gary Lineker's views are the views of the BBC? If anyone thinks that they need help Even the BBC staff code of conduct allows it, because Lineker isn't involved in politics / economics programming. When you are involved in those its a slightly different story, that blurs the lines of impartiality Ignoring the Andrew Neil comparison for now, no-one ever complains about Deborah Meaden's tweets and she's very critical of the Government, yet she's on a very popular BBC TV Show. No-one complains about Carol Vorderman's tweets either and she presents on the BBC network too, she's also very critical of the Govt. But suddenly Lineker gets criticism because... what he said resonates with vast swathes of the population and its shockingly true. WHy shouldn't he be allowed to say it? He's a football pundit, he has opinions, he shouldn't be silenced. If your workplace discriminated against you because of your views, you'd at best feel hard done to, why should Lineker be treated differently 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harkanon Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 There is a big fuss because Lineker has a large following. He has a bigger audience than most, if not all, Tory MPs and their followers. All that is happening with this big fuss is even more exposure. The 'backlash' is manufactured and just another attempt at controlling narratives except it just is not working as they hoped now. He hasn't been fired yet. Wonder why. Possibly because he has actually done nothing wrong and could likely shine an even brighter light on government failings. Over a decade of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2023 48 minutes ago, bickster said: Ignoring the Andrew Neil comparison for now, no-one ever complains about Deborah Meaden's tweets and she's very critical of the Government, yet she's on a very popular BBC TV Show. No-one complains about Carol Vorderman's tweets either and she presents on the BBC network too, she's also very critical of the Govt. But suddenly Lineker gets criticism because... what he said resonates with vast swathes of the population and its shockingly true. WHy shouldn't he be allowed to say it? He's a football pundit, he has opinions, he shouldn't be silenced. I suspect their thinking runs something along the lines of: Meaden and Vorderman have a relatively small audience, probably made up of educated middie class people who are either (a) Tory voters who will take no notice, or (b) Guardianistas who wouldn't vote for us anyway. But Lineker's audience are all those thicko football hooligans, who we've so far cunningly got onside by appealing to their innate xenophobia and racism. We can't have MOTD start making them have doubts about it. FWIW, I think they probably needn't worry too much. Most of the football fan comments I see (on FB, anyway) are on the lines of "Lineker should shut his gob. He was a shit player anyway", etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2023 Here they are covering themselves in glory again. BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash Something something snowflakes. Quote BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash The BBC has decided not to broadcast an episode of David Attenborough’s flagship new series on British wildlife because of fears its themes of the destruction of nature would risk a backlash from Tory politicians and the rightwing press, the Guardian has been told. The decision has angered the programme-makers and some insiders at the BBC, who fear the corporation has bowed to pressure from lobbying groups with “dinosaurian ways”. The revelation about Attenborough’s programme comes at the end of a week in which another broadcaster, Gary Lineker, has been condemned by Conservative ministers for his criticism of the government’s immigration bill. The fresh row focuses on Wild Isles, a highly anticipated new series looking at the beauty of nature in the British Isles, which will begin broadcast on Sunday. Narrated by David Attenborough, it is expected to be a hit, with five episodes scheduled to go out in primetime slots on BBC One. A sixth episode has also been filmed, which is understood to be a stark look at the losses of nature in the UK and what has caused the declines. It is also understood to include some examples of rewilding, a concept which has been controversial in some rightwing circles. The documentary, which was part-funded by nature charities the WWF and RSPB, will not be broadcast along with the others and will instead only be available on the BBC’s iPlayer service. All six episodes were narrated by Attenborough, and made by production company Silverback Films, responsible for previous series including Our Planet, in collaboration with the BBC Natural History Unit. More in the link ... EDIT : See further down this thread. This may not be what it seems ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Educate, inform, and placate the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted March 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, BOF said: Here they are covering themselves in glory again. BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash Something something snowflakes. and the right cannot stand the BBC...i really don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, tomav84 said: and the right cannot stand the BBC...i really don't get it. But the right currently pay for it (by right I mean Tories). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2023 Grauniad naughtily jumping to conclusions maybe and getting their hemp knickers in a twist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Lineker stepping down from Match of the day until further notice .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2023 Lineker being sacrificed as Auntie confirms it's completely impotent and in thrall to government. What a sad case the BBC is now it's riddled with simpering Tory stooges. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted March 10, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2023 Pun intended but I think this is a massive own goal. The negative reactions are already all over twitter. The BBC look like the Tory fools and puppets that they are. I hope this has longer lasting damage to their reputation and credibility. This has not been a good week for them and they've finished it off *chef's kiss* badly. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jonesy7211 Posted March 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2023 Am I overreacting that I feel this is an attack on free speech? Regardless of whether you agree with Linekar or not, he's got the right to say what he believes. He's not governed by the same impartiality rules as the political staff, so I think he should be able to openly state his beliefs. The problem in this instance is that his beliefs do not match the Tory agenda, and he's being targeted because of it. Very 1984. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wict01 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Pathetic from the BBC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2023 I'd like to see other pundits coming out in a show of force supporting Gary. Perhaps supporters too could come up with a nice song for the BBC? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted March 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2023 if jermaine jenas ends up presenting MOTD that's me officially done. they can stick their TV license...i'll get luthar and line of duty from the high seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 the bbc is such a waste of space. But on the other hand I assume Sugar will be spoken to as well? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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