villa4europe Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: So we agree the goal was onside. And that the score was actually 1-1 if it wasn't for incompetent refereeing Lost 2-1 might as well give them the penalty too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: We’ve hit the half way point of the season We’re 1 point off Europe, above arsenal and Chelsea with games in hand, have arguably the best player in the league, we have the 3rd best defence in the league, 2nd most clean sheets, on our day play some really good to watch football and have recorded one of the best wins in a generation of villa fans incredible turn around, most enjoyable villa side since the MON years We'd be top of the league if he'd make a sub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted January 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Dave-R said: Yeah I agree, none of those benches would of made a difference tonight i dont think, that was hardcore and our first eleven had to do the business and see it through. Southampton was a proper grind and I respect Smith for sticking to his guns and not make any changes. Yes I also agree on Sanson, it would of been unfair to put him through that teeth grinding game, it was ruthless I'll five southampton there respect they are a tough team. i agree too. you also have to bear in mind that the players all have various monitors on them feeding data back to the coaches iPads. they have all the data they need to see if players are knackered or not. they clearly were fine to see the result out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, MotoMkali said: Everyone has figured out his flaw. He is clearly a good manager. And I wouldn't want any other manager but I don't want us to lose games because he refuses to make the change even when it is obvious momentum has turned. It's not a flaw, if we had a much better bench then he would bring subs on, everyone knows that his bench is not much. Everyone knows if we had of made subs we would of draw or even lost the game. It was so tough that Mutton is easier to chew through that's if you dont slow cook it that is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, nick76 said: Nope it was offside, the linesman said and the VAR said so.....two officials So you agree with those watkins decisions as well because they measured from the edge of his sleeve. Which is not what they are supposed to do. I'm glad we got the 3 points but we shouldn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, gilbertoAVFC said: Would have to agree to disagree that "because we won" nullifies any criticism. For me things are not this black and white, especially as we won because of some bizarre offside rule which we were all going nuts about earlier in the season. You can't say "oh you would fully have the right to slate him if someone's arse was 2mm bigger" surely! Why would anyone want to slate him after what he's done so far? Even if we'd lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Dave-R said: It's not a flaw, if we had a much better bench then he would bring subs on, everyone knows that his bench is not much. Everyone knows if we had of made subs we would of draw or even lost the game. It was so tough that Mutton is easier to chew through that's if you dont slow cook it that is. Exactly. We are in the process of building a squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holteend1982 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, av1 said: Yep and if Ollie Watkins shaved his arm pits we'd probably be 6 points better off aswell. But that has nothing to do with this game that we are talking about does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: Why would anyone want to slate him after what he's done so far? Even if we'd lost. Just meant about this game. I wouldn't be slating him, was just replying to the point above. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: So you agree with those watkins decisions as well because they measured from the edge of his sleeve. Which is not what they are supposed to do. I'm glad we got the 3 points but we shouldn't have. If they'd measured Watkins from the same place they measured today's he'd have been given onside for his goals. This one was measured from closer to the shoulder than Watkins' Edited January 30, 2021 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I think players with such limited technical ability as trez and nakamba would have made us worse, with the pressing they put on us tonight. Exactly they would have lost the ball in a tight areas , probably the best team we have played this year right up there with City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, gilbertoAVFC said: Would have to agree to disagree that "because we won" nullifies any criticism. For me things are not this black and white, especially as we won because of some bizarre offside rule which we were all going nuts about earlier in the season. You can't say "oh you would fully have the right to slate him if someone's arse was 2mm bigger" surely! No, I’m saying he made a decision that you and I would’ve done different ie making subs, his way worked out. Just because we disagree with his way doesn’t negate that his way worked. We can criticise him but his decision still worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: We'd be top of the league if he'd make a sub We'd be 5th on goal difference if he made a sub before we conceded the 2nd against Burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Why would anyone want to slate him after what he's done so far? Even if we'd lost. Because there is room for improvement. Slating is a harsh word. But we can be better and this is the key area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted January 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: So we agree the goal was onside. And that the score was actually 1-1 if it wasn't for incompetent refereeing how bizarre. i'll be going to bed tonight buzzing that we won tonight. however that win came. it's a shame you can't do the same and instead pretend that we drew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, MotoMkali said: We'd be 5th on goal difference if he made a sub before we conceded the 2nd against Burnley. You actually believe this don't you? Wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, gwi1890 said: Exactly they would have lost the ball in a tight areas , probably the best team we have played this year right up there with City As if mcginn and barkley weren't. Barkley gave a away a free kick in the edge of the D because he couldn't be bothered to make a proper pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted January 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, MotoMkali said: Because there is room for improvement. Slating is a harsh word. But we can be better and this is the key area. Any criticism is slating what classic hyperbolic rhetoric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Enda Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 I’ll get accused of moaning but our tired legs today were spared embarrassment from a combo of Danny Ings’ sleeve and a world class save from Emi. The “but we won” crowd are outcome focused rather than process focused. In poker terms we went all in with a pair of 3’s. Just because we won doesn’t mean it was the best strategy. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, MotoMkali said: We'd be 5th on goal difference if he made a sub before we conceded the 2nd against Burnley. I agree he should have made a change earlier against Burnley. I agree he should have made a change earlier tonight. There is zero guarantee we'd have won against Burnley if he'd made that change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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